Why isn't there a utility like this for OOTP?

sporr · 05-01-2002, 05:27 PM

The BASE utility for Diamond Mind Baseball reads boxscores and gives you more unique reports than you could ever imagine. I so wish there was something like this for OOTP!

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Malleus Dei · 05-01-2002, 06:41 PM

Sporr:

We have not been blessed with many needed add-ons. We don't have any program like that, for example, nor anything resembling DangerZ's editor for High Heat, and especially nothing within a hundred miles of Nick Keren's Tony LaRussa utility package.

It's a shame. I keep hoping that DangerZ or Nick will become an OOTP fan, but neither has happened. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Henry · 05-02-2002, 02:53 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sporr:
The BASE utility for Diamond Mind Baseball reads boxscores and gives you more unique reports than you could ever imagine. I so wish there was something like this for OOTP!

<a href="http://hometown.aol.com/basev30/BASE30.html" target="_blank">http://hometown.aol.com/basev30/BASE30.html</a><hr /></blockquote>A very difficult thing to do when using the HTML boxscores as the resource - and in my opinion, not the correct way to do this. Possible, but very time consuming, and there aren't that many programmers out there with the ability or the time. It would be much more efficient (and quicker to accomplish) if the data was read directly from the OOTP database - but therein lies the basic problem... to provide the database structure to someone opens up proprietary issues for Markus.

I'm going to assume that Markus plans on creating improvements to the reporting engine eventually

SSG Troyer · 05-02-2002, 03:07 AM

Even a comma-delimited output option would be nice....

Henry · 05-02-2002, 03:13 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by SSG Troyer:
Even a comma-delimited output option would be nice....<hr /></blockquote>Some possibilities there once Pierre's Editor comes out. A comma delimited file can be used as a resource

Jason Moyer · 05-02-2002, 04:17 AM

I was under the impression that the box scores were stored as text files and not in the active player database. I'm sure that the protection of proprietary data formats would not be an issue as Markus and team have been more than willing to provide whatever help they can to people developing utilities.

That said, the utilities that have been created for other games were not developed overnight. Pierre has a great track record and from what I can tell PE2 is going to have more features than any other editor for a baseball sim that I can think of. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but the confirmed features in the CVS reporter alone are more comprehensive than anything I've ever seen. That isn't including the ability to edit every attribute for every player and global editing (which I could never get to work right in the old editor for some reason).

Jason

Kemp · 05-02-2002, 08:29 AM

Is there an estimate as to when we can expect to see Pierre's updated editor?

Personally, I'm holding off on starting my league until it comes out. I find the export features invaluable as I store all my stats in an Access database.

Steve Kuffrey · 05-02-2002, 08:31 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kemp:
Is there an estimate as to when we can expect to see Pierre's updated editor?

Personally, I'm holding off on starting my league until it comes out. I find the export features invaluable as I store all my stats in an Access database.<hr /></blockquote>Not that we had been informed of yet.

Henry · 05-02-2002, 09:22 AM

Jason, just to clarify...

I was simply saying that the box scores, because they are in text format (actually html) are not a good source to use as the input to a utility. As far as the database structure, that would certainly be left up to Markus - I was really refering to the fact that there aren't many folks out there with the ability and/or time.

On Pierre's editor I agree completely. It may offer a solution to most of the issue brought up - and the CSV output could initiate even more utilities

biggamejrs · 05-02-2002, 12:38 PM

There was a utility I had for Front Page Baseball that gave awesome stats like streaks, vs. records and attendance and so forth. It was an awesome utility. I am teaching my self programming so that I may one day write a similar utility for OOTP. But by the time I learn, we may be up to OOTP7 or 8 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

James
Go Braves

Jason Moyer · 05-02-2002, 12:56 PM

I cannot wait for the CVS export function.

Once I have a week or two to play with it, after the initial PE2 pre-release, I'm going to try and put together a bunch of excel-compatible spreadsheets with some Sabermetric formulas in them for easy copy/paste use.

Jason

05-01-2002, 05:27 PM	#1
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Why isn't there a utility like this for OOTP? The BASE utility for Diamond Mind Baseball reads boxscores and gives you more unique reports than you could ever imagine. I so wish there was something like this for OOTP! <a href="http://hometown.aol.com/basev30/BASE30.html" target="_blank">http://hometown.aol.com/basev30/BASE30.html</a>

05-02-2002, 02:53 AM	#3
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by sporr: <strong>The BASE utility for Diamond Mind Baseball reads boxscores and gives you more unique reports than you could ever imagine. I so wish there was something like this for OOTP! <a href="http://hometown.aol.com/basev30/BASE30.html" target="_blank">http://hometown.aol.com/basev30/BASE30.html</a></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">A very difficult thing to do when using the HTML boxscores as the resource - and in my opinion, not the correct way to do this. Possible, but very time consuming, and there aren't that many programmers out there with the ability or the time. It would be much more efficient (and quicker to accomplish) if the data was read directly from the OOTP database - but therein lies the basic problem... to provide the database structure to someone opens up proprietary issues for Markus. I'm going to assume that Markus plans on creating improvements to the reporting engine eventually

05-02-2002, 03:07 AM	#4
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,598	Even a comma-delimited output option would be nice.... __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

05-02-2002, 03:13 AM	#5
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SSG Troyer: <strong>Even a comma-delimited output option would be nice....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Some possibilities there once Pierre's Editor comes out. A comma delimited file can be used as a resource

05-02-2002, 04:17 AM	#6
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,112	I was under the impression that the box scores were stored as text files and not in the active player database. I'm sure that the protection of proprietary data formats would not be an issue as Markus and team have been more than willing to provide whatever help they can to people developing utilities. That said, the utilities that have been created for other games were not developed overnight. Pierre has a great track record and from what I can tell PE2 is going to have more features than any other editor for a baseball sim that I can think of. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but the confirmed features in the CVS reporter alone are more comprehensive than anything I've ever seen. That isn't including the ability to edit every attribute for every player and global editing (which I could never get to work right in the old editor for some reason). Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

05-02-2002, 08:29 AM	#7
Kemp All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,181	Is there an estimate as to when we can expect to see Pierre's updated editor? Personally, I'm holding off on starting my league until it comes out. I find the export features invaluable as I store all my stats in an Access database.

05-02-2002, 08:31 AM	#8
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Kemp: <strong>Is there an estimate as to when we can expect to see Pierre's updated editor? Personally, I'm holding off on starting my league until it comes out. I find the export features invaluable as I store all my stats in an Access database.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Not that we had been informed of yet. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

05-02-2002, 09:22 AM	#9
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Jason, just to clarify... I was simply saying that the box scores, because they are in text format (actually html) are not a good source to use as the input to a utility. As far as the database structure, that would certainly be left up to Markus - I was really refering to the fact that there aren't many folks out there with the ability and/or time. On Pierre's editor I agree completely. It may offer a solution to most of the issue brought up - and the CSV output could initiate even more utilities

05-02-2002, 12:38 PM	#10
biggamejrs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Greenville, USA Posts: 212	There was a utility I had for Front Page Baseball that gave awesome stats like streaks, vs. records and attendance and so forth. It was an awesome utility. I am teaching my self programming so that I may one day write a similar utility for OOTP. But by the time I learn, we may be up to OOTP7 or 8 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> James Go Braves __________________ Go Braves!!

05-02-2002, 12:56 PM	#11
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,112	I cannot wait for the CVS export function. Once I have a week or two to play with it, after the initial PE2 pre-release, I'm going to try and put together a bunch of excel-compatible spreadsheets with some Sabermetric formulas in them for easy copy/paste use. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech