Better Contract

rem · 10-21-2004, 07:35 PM

This will be a poll

Karros270 · 10-21-2004, 07:42 PM

I think you get a lot more production per dollar from A-Rod

Anachronism · 10-21-2004, 07:45 PM

I'll take the option of picking up 3 or more players for the same price....

rudel.dietrich · 10-21-2004, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Anachronism

I'll take the option of picking up 3 or more players for the same price....

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Salaries would not ballon out of control if clubs would not pay them.
For every Arod there are 10 guys who will take his place for a quarter of the money and will put up 80% of his numbers.

holyroller · 10-21-2004, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

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Salaries would not ballon out of control if clubs would not pay them.
For every Arod there are 10 guys who will take his place for a quarter of the money and will put up 80% of his numbers.

As a third baseman? Yeah. As a SS? Nope.

Skipaway · 10-21-2004, 08:26 PM

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Salaries would not ballon out of control if clubs would not pay them.
For every Arod there are 10 guys who will take his place for a quarter of the money and will put up 80% of his numbers.

There are tons more players with 80% number, so of course they should be much cheaper. Someone with 10% of his number would get zero money.

It's a simple supply and demand thing. Premium players got premium prices.

And honestly, Rodriguez is not much overpaid. Baseballprospectus did a study on value/price, and Rodriguez is kind of like middle of the pack. There are tons of more way overpaid craps at the 1-3 mil range.

holyroller · 10-21-2004, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

There are tons more players with 80% number, so of course they should be much cheaper. Someone with 10% of his number would get zero money.

It's a simple supply and demand thing. Premium players got premium prices.

And honestly, Rodriguez is not much overpaid. Baseballprospectus did a study on value/price, and Rodriguez is kind of like middle of the pack. There are tons of more way overpaid craps at the 1-3 mil range.

Yeah and you also have to factor in how much money the team has to spend. That wasn't the best contract in the world for the Rangers (though not as bad as some people think) because they didn't have as much to spend. For the Yankees, it's not a bad contract at all. In fact, a a percentage of payroll it's about neutral.

Skipaway · 10-21-2004, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by holyroller

Yeah and you also have to factor in how much money the team has to spend. That wasn't the best contract in the world for the Rangers (though not as bad as some people think) because they didn't have as much to spend. For the Yankees, it's not a bad contract at all. In fact, a a percentage of payroll it's about neutral.

I think what happened with the Rangers was other bad contracts. When they first signed Rodriguez, it actually made sense, because they are willing to spend at the time, and the Rodriguez deal helped them a lot on local development deals.

However, most of their non-Rodriguez money were purely spent. When they decided to go cheap and lower the payroll, of course the Rodriguez contract would not make sense any more.

holyroller · 10-21-2004, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

I think what happened with the Rangers was other bad contracts. When they first signed Rodriguez, it actually made sense, because they are willing to spend at the time, and the Rodriguez deal helped them a lot on local development deals.

However, most of their non-Rodriguez money were purely spent. When they decided to go cheap and lower the payroll, of course the Rodriguez contract would not make sense any more.

Yeah, that's what I mean by it not being as bad as people think. It's wasn't Rodriguez's fault that they spent money on guys like Chan Ho Park. Give that contract and payroll to Beane or Epstein and they would have made the playoffs.

Erik W. · 10-21-2004, 08:45 PM

I agree with a couple of the people above... neither, and get four 80% guys for the same money. That way I don't have a $10 pitching staff that blows a 3 game lead.

But if I had to choose one of the above, it would be Jeter. He's clutch, and he was the only mother****er in that dugout last night that showed any desire to win.

Skipaway · 10-21-2004, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Azamien

He's clutch, and he was the only mother****er in that dugout last night that showed any desire to win.

What's wrong with players that got strong desires to win, but don't always act it out?

mlyons · 10-21-2004, 09:17 PM

I think if you look at these contracts in terms of what they contribute to a team's record, they're both ludicrous (although Jeter's is obviously more so). The thing is, though, both of these contracts really need to be looked at in terms of what kinds of revenue they're bringing in, which is really what you spend money for. Jeter and Rodriguez are both marketing dreams, and both bring in far more revenue than their contracts cost. They sell jerseys, and put people in the seats. When you have players like Jeter whose marketing value has very little to do with their on-the-field performance, it's easy to say they're overpaid. In fact, I would argue that Jeter, at least, is drastically underpaid, considering the amount of revenues he generates for the Yankees.

yankeesrule · 10-21-2004, 09:35 PM

not only does jeter bring people into the stadium, but he had the yankees by the balls because he knew that they had to give him whatever he wanted because it would be an absolute PR nightmare if the big spending yankees didn't resign their most popular player

Crapshoot · 10-22-2004, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Azamien

I agree with a couple of the people above... neither, and get four 80% guys for the same money. That way I don't have a $10 pitching staff that blows a 3 game lead.

But if I had to choose one of the above, it would be Jeter. He's clutch, and he was the only mother****er in that dugout last night that showed any desire to win.

YEs- lets give Luis Sojo his contract.

ctorg · 10-22-2004, 08:23 AM

Better for whom?

KurtBevacqua · 10-22-2004, 09:09 AM

A-Rod gets more cash, thus the better deal. Also, if you are deciding who the better bargain is, again, I go with A-Rod. While he certainly is overpaid, I don't think his contract makes him as overpriced as Jeter's does him.

CMH · 10-22-2004, 09:46 AM

Alex Rodriguez' contract is definitely better. He puts up better numbers than Jeter and plays better defense than Jeter.

As for all this crap about Jeter being the only one that cares...I guess I must have been dreaming when I saw that look on the face of Alex Rodriguez when Pokey Reese ended New York's season. That wasn't a look of, "Oh well, at least I'm getting 25 million!"

Now from a business standpoint, Jeter does bring in a lot of revenue, but think about how much MORE revenue he would bring in if he was paid by his on-field value instead of his New York bias.

edit: Revenue is obviously the same no matter the salary. I should say "Profit".

Dagrims · 10-22-2004, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Azamien

I agree with a couple of the people above... neither, and get four 80% guys for the same money. That way I don't have a $10 pitching staff that blows a 3 game lead.

Yankees pitching staff, $10? Good one.

Why begrudge A Rod his dollars? Do the owners deserve it more? Until/unless there is a hard salary cap, players will earn what the market will bear.

View Poll Results: Which is the better contract?
Jeter- 10 Years 186M	10	34.48%
Rodriguez-10 Years 257M	19	65.52%
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10-21-2004, 07:35 PM	#1
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Karros270 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,392	I think you get a lot more production per dollar from A-Rod __________________ now everybody's praying...don't prey on me

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10-21-2004, 09:17 PM	#12
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	I think if you look at these contracts in terms of what they contribute to a team's record, they're both ludicrous (although Jeter's is obviously more so). The thing is, though, both of these contracts really need to be looked at in terms of what kinds of revenue they're bringing in, which is really what you spend money for. Jeter and Rodriguez are both marketing dreams, and both bring in far more revenue than their contracts cost. They sell jerseys, and put people in the seats. When you have players like Jeter whose marketing value has very little to do with their on-the-field performance, it's easy to say they're overpaid. In fact, I would argue that Jeter, at least, is drastically underpaid, considering the amount of revenues he generates for the Yankees. __________________ Things can always be worse.

10-21-2004, 08:45 PM	#10
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	I agree with a couple of the people above... neither, and get four 80% guys for the same money. That way I don't have a $10 pitching staff that blows a 3 game lead. But if I had to choose one of the above, it would be Jeter. He's clutch, and he was the only mother****er in that dugout last night that showed any desire to win.

10-21-2004, 09:35 PM	#13
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	not only does jeter bring people into the stadium, but he had the yankees by the balls because he knew that they had to give him whatever he wanted because it would be an absolute PR nightmare if the big spending yankees didn't resign their most popular player

10-22-2004, 08:23 AM	#15
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10-22-2004, 09:09 AM	#16
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	A-Rod gets more cash, thus the better deal. Also, if you are deciding who the better bargain is, again, I go with A-Rod. While he certainly is overpaid, I don't think his contract makes him as overpriced as Jeter's does him. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

10-22-2004, 09:46 AM	#17
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	Alex Rodriguez' contract is definitely better. He puts up better numbers than Jeter and plays better defense than Jeter. As for all this crap about Jeter being the only one that cares...I guess I must have been dreaming when I saw that look on the face of Alex Rodriguez when Pokey Reese ended New York's season. That wasn't a look of, "Oh well, at least I'm getting 25 million!" Now from a business standpoint, Jeter does bring in a lot of revenue, but think about how much MORE revenue he would bring in if he was paid by his on-field value instead of his New York bias. edit: Revenue is obviously the same no matter the salary. I should say "Profit". Last edited by CMH; 10-22-2004 at 09:55 AM.