Most Underrated Pitcher in Baseball

rem · 09-20-2004, 07:46 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...s?statsId=6559

UngratefulDead · 09-20-2004, 07:47 PM

I wouldn't say he's underrated, but he certainly is good.

Jeff Weaver (much as I hate to nominate a Dodger) is quite underrated this year as well.

Old Man · 09-20-2004, 08:26 PM

It is pretty amazing that is has only given up 13 homers, only 6 in Chicago.

nate7891 · 09-20-2004, 09:02 PM

i would have to say carl pavano

matskralc · 09-20-2004, 09:12 PM

I'm gonna stick with Randy Johnson.

holyroller · 09-20-2004, 09:19 PM

Weaver isn't any better than he has been in the past, he's just been pitching in Dodger Stadium this year.

UngratefulDead · 09-20-2004, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by holyroller

Weaver isn't any better than he has been in the past, he's just been pitching in Dodger Stadium this year.

Weaver Away ERA: 4.09, not all that much better than his home one.

I'm not sure if he still does but he also led the league in quality starts for a while.

matskralc · 09-20-2004, 09:25 PM

Weaver's home era is a good half-run better than his road ERA. That is definitely significant.

holyroller · 09-20-2004, 09:33 PM

For his career coming in to this season, Weaver had averaged 4.3 WARP3. This year he is at 4.0 which puts him right on line with his career norm. He's been much better than the last two season, but that is a) hardly something to crow about since he was just awful the last two seasons and b) makes him underrated only if you consider him to be an awful pitcher.

Long_Long_Name · 09-20-2004, 09:44 PM

Pedro!

holyroller · 09-20-2004, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

Pedro!

It's quite possible, actually.

How many people realize that he has the highest peak value of any pitcher in history?

twins15 · 09-20-2004, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by holyroller

How many people realize that he has the highest peak value of any pitcher in history?

:raises hand:

holyroller · 09-20-2004, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by twins15

:raises hand:

That kind of sucking up is what got you in to the OBTL, boy.

matskralc · 09-20-2004, 09:52 PM

Well, if we're gonna talk "active pitchers over their careers", then maybe it's Pedro. I still go with the Big Unit for just this season, though!!

Long_Long_Name · 09-20-2004, 09:53 PM

And for all the non-believers, he once had a perfect game.... that was snapped in the 10th. Still, it's 9 perfect innings.

Crapshoot · 09-20-2004, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by holyroller

It's quite possible, actually.

How many people realize that he has the highest peak value of any pitcher in history?

way to steal my line chet comis!

Long_Long_Name · 09-20-2004, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by matskralc

Well, if we're gonna talk "active pitchers over their careers", then maybe it's Pedro. I still go with the Big Unit for just this season, though!!

Well, no conditions were stipulated, hence my suggestion.

holyroller · 09-20-2004, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by matskralc

Well, if we're gonna talk "active pitchers over their careers", then maybe it's Pedro. I still go with the Big Unit for just this season, though!!

Okay fine, take your uh....big unit.

BRUN!

Crapshoot · 09-20-2004, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by holyroller

Okay fine, take your uh....big unit.

BRUN!

ya- talking about his big unit.. .nice BRUN..

holyroller · 09-20-2004, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

ya- talking about his big unit.. .nice BRUN..

Actually, I was thinking about him taking his big unit. If you know what I'm sayin'

09-20-2004, 07:46 PM	#1
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09-20-2004, 08:26 PM	#3
Old Man Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 464	It is pretty amazing that is has only given up 13 homers, only 6 in Chicago. __________________ Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983 "All the fat guys watch me and say to their wives, 'See, there's a fat guy doing okay. Bring me another beer.'" -Mickey Lolich

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matskralc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,076	I'm gonna stick with Randy Johnson. __________________ Well, they have a saying here in Texas ... but they probably don't have it in California, so never mind. OTBL - Pennsylvania Fightin' Amish ABC - Pittsburgh Puma OCHO - Pittsburgh Pirates EBU - Commissioner

09-20-2004, 09:19 PM	#6
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	Weaver isn't any better than he has been in the past, he's just been pitching in Dodger Stadium this year. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

09-20-2004, 07:47 PM	#2
UngratefulDead Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,415	I wouldn't say he's underrated, but he certainly is good. Jeff Weaver (much as I hate to nominate a Dodger) is quite underrated this year as well.

09-20-2004, 09:25 PM	#8
matskralc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,076	Weaver's home era is a good half-run better than his road ERA. That is definitely significant. __________________ Well, they have a saying here in Texas ... but they probably don't have it in California, so never mind. OTBL - Pennsylvania Fightin' Amish ABC - Pittsburgh Puma OCHO - Pittsburgh Pirates EBU - Commissioner

09-20-2004, 09:33 PM	#9
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	For his career coming in to this season, Weaver had averaged 4.3 WARP3. This year he is at 4.0 which puts him right on line with his career norm. He's been much better than the last two season, but that is a) hardly something to crow about since he was just awful the last two seasons and b) makes him underrated only if you consider him to be an awful pitcher. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

09-20-2004, 09:44 PM	#10
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	Pedro! __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

09-20-2004, 09:52 PM	#14
matskralc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,076	Well, if we're gonna talk "active pitchers over their careers", then maybe it's Pedro. I still go with the Big Unit for just this season, though!! __________________ Well, they have a saying here in Texas ... but they probably don't have it in California, so never mind. OTBL - Pennsylvania Fightin' Amish ABC - Pittsburgh Puma OCHO - Pittsburgh Pirates EBU - Commissioner

09-20-2004, 09:53 PM	#15
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	And for all the non-believers, he once had a perfect game.... that was snapped in the 10th. Still, it's 9 perfect innings. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!