OOTP5 - revenue sharing and Robin Hood....

[Single A Rookie]

So... last year when we moved to our 2003 season revenue sharing was good and everyone started the year with $12.5 million in the bank.....

So you wouldn't think things would be much different in moving to the 2004 season right?

Wrong...

While MOST teams have $12.5 million sitting in their bank account, five of the twenty teams in the league have:

$2.03 million
$9.50 million
$4.66 million
$2.15 million
-3.10 million (Must be an Adelphia owned team...)

What gives? Is this a bug of some sort? Is there a way I can fix this? I did a search on "revenue sharing" and it returned only three posts with rather inconclusive info (although, one mentioned a problem like this in OOTP4).

Thanks!

[Single A Rookie]

More details.... taken from a reply I made in another thread...


take a look at my league this year (our cash cap is $12,500,000)

2004 START  TEAM         HANDOUT     MARKET
12,500,000  Big Sky	             Slightly Above Average
12,500,000  Brooklyn     3,775,104   Huge
12,500,000  Orlando      3,760,337   Good
 4,661,842  Seattle     10,675,000   Slightly Above Average
12,500,000  S.Creek                  Average
 2,034,937  Halifax     10,300,000   Slightly Above Average
12,500,000  Goffstown	             Average
12,500,000  Port Huron   6,132,741   Average
-3,122,023  S.Island     2,059,038   Good
12,500,000  Tampa                    Huge
12,500,000  Burlington   7,441,170   Average
12,500,000  Dover        4,767,019   Good
12,500,000  Dunedin      7,634,466   Good
12,500,000  Glen Ellyn	             Huge
12,500,000  Nevada       7,854,000   Really Big
12,500,000  Bedford      5,117,054   Big
 9,481,794  S.Cruz      10,550,000   Small
12,500,000  Malibu	             Huge
12,500,000  Sarasota	             Average
 2,154,916  S.Cath.      1,850,000   Average

As you can see, 15 of the 20 teams actually did start the season with 12,500,000 cash (our limit) but 5 teams did not.... (one team, S.Island, who finished with a $5 million loss last year, only received a measly $2 million handout, leaving them at -$3 million to start the year!)

Where the handout is blank the team made over 12,500,000 and did not receive any equalization payments... looking at the above you can see that some teams in "really big" markets (like Nevada) received more cash than "average" market teams (S.Cath). Why is that?

I'd love to know how it is determined, as I have owners crying foul over the process....

[sporr]

Only teams in lower than average markets get any revenue sharing money. Unless all teams had Player Expenses less than Revenues, some teams will lose money during the season. It looks like the 5 teams you have mentioned probably had Payrolls higher than their revenues. At most, I've only seen 2 teams in any season get any Revenue Sharing money. Revenue Sharing disbursements are listed in the League News section near where it tells about changes in Team Market Sizes and Fan Loyalty.

[Single A Rookie]

Originally Posted by sporr

Only teams in lower than average markets get any revenue sharing money. Unless all teams had Player Expenses less than Revenues, some teams will lose money during the season. It looks like the 5 teams you have mentioned probably had Payrolls higher than their revenues. At most, I've only seen 2 teams in any season get any Revenue Sharing money. Revenue Sharing disbursements are listed in the League News section near where it tells about changes in Team Market Sizes and Fan Loyalty.

Really? In OOTP5? Because I've never seen any dispersements in the League News Section then....

But I'm confused. I looked at what cash the teams ended with in their 2003 season, and then checked the cash they had at the beginning of the 2004 season and many had a lot more cash. All teams that had above 12,500,000 were cut down to 12,500,000 while many of those under that were brought up to 12,500,000.... (see the "handout amount" in the charts above).

If teams with below average receive amounts... and the amount are listed in the news section (which I have not seen) - then how did these other teams suddenly jump to 12,500,000?

Thanks for helping me try to understand this... as I said, owners are questioning and want me to edit their cash on hand and I want to make sure I'm not messing anything up by doing so....

[sporr]

In order to answer your questions, I would have to see your team financial pages. Cash won't jump up at all without a listing in the League News section. However, if teams had a profit during the season, the profit will be applied towards cash. My guess is that teams that "jumped up" to $12.5M had earned enough profits to take them above your league max cash. Teams that stayed at $12.5M already had enough profits to keep them above that threshhold. Meanwhile, teams that operated at a loss during the season are the ones that saw no increase in cash at the end of the season.

[Single A Rookie]

I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!!!!

Thanks Sporr... you know what I completely forgot about? The fact that the teams all had CASH at the end of last year on TOP of their yearly loss/gain.

I'm sure if I work the numbers now, I will see that you are correct!!

More as soon as I go through the report..... right now, I need to hit Home Depot to pick up some pieces for my fridge - another minor crisis

[Single A Rookie]

Well.. here it is... all calculated out now...

TEAM                  CASH	REVENUE         TOTAL  MARKET
Big Sky	         9,725,000   20,732,695    30,457,695  Slightly Above Average
Brooklyn	 6,149,885    8,724,896	   14,874,781  Huge
Orlando	         9,450,230    8,739,663	   18,189,893  Good
Seattle	        10,675,000   -6,013,158	    4,661,842  Slightly Above Average
Stoney Creek	 9,025,000   14,590,917	   23,615,917  Average
Halifax	        10,300,000   -8,265,063	    2,034,937  Slightly Above Average
Goffstown	10,275,000   16,544,011	   26,819,011  Average
Port Huron	10,475,000    6,367,259	   16,842,259  Average
Staten Island	 2,059,038   -5,181,061	   -3,122,023  Good
Tampa 	         9,502,641   24,004,514	   33,507,155  Huge
Burlington       9,300,000    5,058,830	   14,358,830  Average
Dover            7,466,563    7,732,981	   15,199,544  Good
Dunedin	         5,850,000    4,865,534	   10,715,534  Good
Glen Ellyn       3,594,909   30,085,655	   33,680,564  Huge
Nevada	         9,925,000    4,646,000	   14,571,000  Really Big
Bedford	        10,682,587    7,382,946	   18,065,533  Big
Santa Cruz      10,550,000   -1,068,206	    9,481,794  Small
Malibu          10,275,000   22,443,102	   32,718,102  Huge
Sarasota	10,375,000   13,614,024	   23,989,024  Average
St. Catherines	 1,850,000      304,916	    2,154,916  Average

so yes indeed... in you grab the five teams I mentioned at the start of the post and check the numbers they have to start the season they DO INDEED match the numbers just above. And since four of the five were in the black they received nothing, and the only team that was in the red has a GOOD market and so doesn't qualify.

Thanks again for the help sporr....