Learn new position strangeness

Aordolin · 05-19-2004, 02:20 PM

I apologize if this has been posted but I have not seen it, has anyone been getting emails from the coaching staff about a player learning a new position they were not assigned to learn? Its happening in my fictional league atleast once a year. It seems to always happen at the beginning of the season, my schedule usually has 4-5 days off in between 4/1 and the first game. I am using 6.1 patch too before anyone asks.

Henry · 05-19-2004, 02:23 PM

This is probably a result of running Spring training and asking the coaches for their input.

bulldog55 · 05-19-2004, 02:26 PM

This happened to me as well. I signed Jay Gibbons to a minor league deal and while DH'ing for my AAA team, he mysteriously learned shortstop during the season. I posted about this in the bug report forum.

kingcharlesxii · 05-19-2004, 02:28 PM

Was he assigned in the minor league lineup to the position? It's also possible the minor league AI had him play there for a few innings for whatever reason and he got lucky and learned the position at that time.

KurtBevacqua · 05-19-2004, 04:29 PM

I have noticed on occassion the AI will change the positions of your players in the minors without your input. Really drives me nuts when I want to get a guy more experience and grow his rating at one position, only to check in and see the AI playing him somewhere else.

GabeRivers · 05-19-2004, 04:47 PM

Aordolin, I've encountered what you experienced frequently in both OOTP5 and now in OOTP6 ('frequently' is a relative term; I play a lot of OOTP

).

It seems to happen randomly during the course of a season. I've seen it occur to guys on the 25-man roster, as well as to guys who are in the minors. I've even seen it happen to guys in the minors who were being trained at the time to play another position, different from the one that the e-mail says they now have learned.

joncon16 · 05-19-2004, 04:48 PM

I noticed that if I run computer manage on my minor leagues the AI will oftentimes place players at positions that are not their own(something that's been happening since at least OOTP5). You'll have to manually set your rosters all the time to keep this from happening.

mlyons · 05-19-2004, 05:13 PM

On a related note, I often decide to change the primary position of a player in the minors to reflect how I plan to use him in the future (if, for instance, he's a 2B who also plays SS, and I have more of a need at SS, I'll change his primary to SS). Occasionally, the AI decides not to implement this change, so my SS would keep reverting back to 2B as his primary position, even though he would still be playing SS. No matter how often I change his primary position, it won't stick.

Aordolin · 05-19-2004, 07:19 PM

Henry - never asked coaches on spring training ans never was he ever assigned to the position he magically picked up, in the prvious year or any year.

Henry · 05-19-2004, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by Aordolin
Henry - never asked coaches on spring training ans never was he ever assigned to the position he magically picked up, in the prvious year or any year.

Then next I would look at the position he played in the minors... it could be that there was someone better at his primary position so he was placed somewhere else - and thus learned the position.

This is one of those things that can happen when you leave everything up to the AI. Whatever the AI logic is will try and use him to his best ability. We can hope for a smarter AI eventually, but to avoid this you would somehow have to tell the AI to find a trade or move so this guy could play his primary position. I think the AI simply picked the guy best at that location and moved your subject player somewhere else.

One of the things we tend to forget sometimes is that in the real world, there are hundreds of people managing an organization, each with their own responsibilities making day-to-day decisions. In OOTP, we "think" we are doing this all ourselves - then wonder why the AI did something we wouldn't have.

KurtBevacqua · 05-20-2004, 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by Henry

One of the things we tend to forget sometimes is that in the real world, there are hundreds of people managing an organization, each with their own responsibilities making day-to-day decisions. In OOTP, we "think" we are doing this all ourselves - then wonder why the AI did something we wouldn't have.

Good point, but...

IRL if you are the GM of a franchise and you have a hot prospect you are grooming to be your SS of the future, it's reasonable to expect the manager down on the farm to respect your wishes and groom the player properly, not teach him how to play 3B instead.

Henry · 05-20-2004, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by KurtBevacqua
Good point, but...

IRL if you are the GM of a franchise and you have a hot prospect you are grooming to be your SS of the future, it's reasonable to expect the manager down on the farm to respect your wishes and groom the player properly, not teach him how to play 3B instead.

That's true - BUT - when you check the option to let the AI manage your minor's, your asking your staff to make it's own decisions.... unless your saying this happens when you have it set to do it yourself.

Aordolin · 05-20-2004, 09:47 AM

well maybe i didnt clarify but the computer wasnt managing the minors, i do everything. I set the lineups and rotations for the minors, during spring training i deciede what points to put where. And at no time was this player ever assigned in spring training or with the linups to place first base, the position he learned. now if your saying that the AI managing during the course of the season would play that player at another position you didnt specify...

kingcharlesxii · 05-20-2004, 10:25 AM

Even if you don't have the computer AI set to manage the minors, a guy might play a different position during a minor league game. Suppose your super-prospect started the day on the bench due to being tired (also suppose he is a SS). The regular 3B is pinch hit for and his backup gets hurts. The computer in-game AI might throw out your prospect at 3B to fill the hole. At that time, there would be a check to see if he learns 3B. I'm guessing the guy passed the check and learned the position. I've seen guys learn a position in as little as 1 game before so this is what I think happened.

Henry · 05-20-2004, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by kingcharlesxii
Even if you don't have the computer AI set to manage the minors, a guy might play a different position during a minor league game. Suppose your super-prospect started the day on the bench due to being tired (also suppose he is a SS). The regular 3B is pinch hit for and his backup gets hurts. The computer in-game AI might throw out your prospect at 3B to fill the hole. At that time, there would be a check to see if he learns 3B. I'm guessing the guy passed the check and learned the position. I've seen guys learn a position in as little as 1 game before so this is what I think happened.

That too is possible. We ight be making a mountain out of a molehill here. As long as the AI isn't specifically changing the way the guy is used - if you are controlling the minors - this may just be a fluke that happens from time to time based on the above description.

Cooker · 05-20-2004, 03:51 PM

The AI does indeed "teach" players new positions randomly.

I recently got an email - "Paul Valentino has made noteable progress at his new position, 2B. I'd rate his skills as 60 now." I scratched my head. I didn't remember the player's name and certainly didn't remember putting him at a new position to learn. (Like others, I don't let the AI manage my minor leagues. I do it all myself, including setting all lineups and changing them frequently.) So I scanned through my AAA, AA and A rosters. I couldn't find Paul Valentino. Finally I found him. Lo and behold, Paul Valentino was on the DL. He had been for several weeks. So he actually learned his new position (2B) while his was on the DL!

I don't mind that this happens occasionally I think it's nice to have random "learning" going in the minors. I just told myself that while he was on the DL Paul Valentino was working out with one of his AA coaches who was teaching him to play 2B on the side.

05-19-2004, 02:20 PM	#1
Aordolin All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 586	Learn new position strangeness I apologize if this has been posted but I have not seen it, has anyone been getting emails from the coaching staff about a player learning a new position they were not assigned to learn? Its happening in my fictional league atleast once a year. It seems to always happen at the beginning of the season, my schedule usually has 4-5 days off in between 4/1 and the first game. I am using 6.1 patch too before anyone asks.

05-19-2004, 02:26 PM	#3
bulldog55 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California's Canada Warnings: 17 Posts: 2,479	This happened to me as well. I signed Jay Gibbons to a minor league deal and while DH'ing for my AAA team, he mysteriously learned shortstop during the season. I posted about this in the bug report forum. __________________ Commissioner, Trans-Continental Base Ball Association Owner/GM, Los Angeles Electrics (TCBA), Beaverton Rangers (OTBL), Portland Mavericks (Union League), and Los Angeles Superbas (Century League) Being smart, don't always make you popular.

05-19-2004, 02:28 PM	#4
kingcharlesxii Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,730	Was he assigned in the minor league lineup to the position? It's also possible the minor league AI had him play there for a few innings for whatever reason and he got lucky and learned the position at that time. __________________ OTBA - Stockholm Royal Squirrels of Sweden OOTP Grand League Champion 2015

05-19-2004, 04:29 PM	#5
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I have noticed on occassion the AI will change the positions of your players in the minors without your input. Really drives me nuts when I want to get a guy more experience and grow his rating at one position, only to check in and see the AI playing him somewhere else. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

05-19-2004, 05:13 PM	#8
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	On a related note, I often decide to change the primary position of a player in the minors to reflect how I plan to use him in the future (if, for instance, he's a 2B who also plays SS, and I have more of a need at SS, I'll change his primary to SS). Occasionally, the AI decides not to implement this change, so my SS would keep reverting back to 2B as his primary position, even though he would still be playing SS. No matter how often I change his primary position, it won't stick. __________________ Things can always be worse.

05-19-2004, 02:23 PM	#2
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	This is probably a result of running Spring training and asking the coaches for their input.

05-19-2004, 04:47 PM	#6
GabeRivers Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 82	Aordolin, I've encountered what you experienced frequently in both OOTP5 and now in OOTP6 ('frequently' is a relative term; I play a lot of OOTP ). It seems to happen randomly during the course of a season. I've seen it occur to guys on the 25-man roster, as well as to guys who are in the minors. I've even seen it happen to guys in the minors who were being trained at the time to play another position, different from the one that the e-mail says they now have learned.

05-19-2004, 04:48 PM	#7
joncon16 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 112	I noticed that if I run computer manage on my minor leagues the AI will oftentimes place players at positions that are not their own(something that's been happening since at least OOTP5). You'll have to manually set your rosters all the time to keep this from happening.

05-19-2004, 07:19 PM	#9
Aordolin All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 586	Henry - never asked coaches on spring training ans never was he ever assigned to the position he magically picked up, in the prvious year or any year.

05-20-2004, 09:47 AM	#13
Aordolin All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 586	well maybe i didnt clarify but the computer wasnt managing the minors, i do everything. I set the lineups and rotations for the minors, during spring training i deciede what points to put where. And at no time was this player ever assigned in spring training or with the linups to place first base, the position he learned. now if your saying that the AI managing during the course of the season would play that player at another position you didnt specify...

05-20-2004, 10:25 AM	#14
kingcharlesxii Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,730	Even if you don't have the computer AI set to manage the minors, a guy might play a different position during a minor league game. Suppose your super-prospect started the day on the bench due to being tired (also suppose he is a SS). The regular 3B is pinch hit for and his backup gets hurts. The computer in-game AI might throw out your prospect at 3B to fill the hole. At that time, there would be a check to see if he learns 3B. I'm guessing the guy passed the check and learned the position. I've seen guys learn a position in as little as 1 game before so this is what I think happened. __________________ OTBA - Stockholm Royal Squirrels of Sweden OOTP Grand League Champion 2015

05-20-2004, 03:51 PM	#16
Cooker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 592	The AI does indeed "teach" players new positions randomly. I recently got an email - "Paul Valentino has made noteable progress at his new position, 2B. I'd rate his skills as 60 now." I scratched my head. I didn't remember the player's name and certainly didn't remember putting him at a new position to learn. (Like others, I don't let the AI manage my minor leagues. I do it all myself, including setting all lineups and changing them frequently.) So I scanned through my AAA, AA and A rosters. I couldn't find Paul Valentino. Finally I found him. Lo and behold, Paul Valentino was on the DL. He had been for several weeks. So he actually learned his new position (2B) while his was on the DL! I don't mind that this happens occasionally I think it's nice to have random "learning" going in the minors. I just told myself that while he was on the DL Paul Valentino was working out with one of his AA coaches who was teaching him to play 2B on the side.