Interpreting Spring Training results

steady teddy · 05-01-2004, 12:44 PM

I'm not sure how to interpret Spring Training Results.

For instance, my Closer last year had a pitch velocity of "96-100 mph".

But this year's Spring Training results for him are:
"Dante Camara has good pitching sessions!
Dante Camara has lost some throwing velocity."

But as I start a new season his pitch velocity has gone
up to "100+ mph"

So how can he lose pitch velocity in Spring Training and yet throw harder ? Should this loss in velocity be interpreted as being temporary? Or maybe he just had a bad Spring Training?

Thanks in advance

backspace4353 · 05-04-2004, 04:19 AM

I have da same problem with ootp4 and 5. I have not gotten 6 yet cuz they are not telling me when the cd is going to ship heeeeeeeee.

xvagrantxchristx · 05-04-2004, 05:25 AM

What the spring training report failed to tell you is that after Dante Camara lost some throwing velocity he went on an Atkins, BALCO, and Creatine diet. Now he is a lean, mean, baseball throwing machine....but has lost several points in control (of his bowel movements!)

Christopher Martin (NOT the leadsinger of Coldplay!)

beorn · 05-04-2004, 07:16 AM

The more I see of spring training reports, the less reliable I think they are.

kingpin1976 · 05-04-2004, 04:55 PM

The thing that was at the top of my wishlist for v6 was spring training but oh well still a good release.

satchel · 05-04-2004, 05:53 PM

The report that said he lost throwing velocity was probably referring to his ‘Velocity’ pitching rating. The actual speed at which he throws the ball is the MPH figure. Although these things seem similar, and are obviously related, they aren’t the exact same thing. A player can lose or gain Velocity and still be throwing the ball at the same speed.

ragnaar15 · 05-04-2004, 10:17 PM

The answer is really quite simple. Since Dante Camara is the OOTP 6 kosher name for Kyle Farnsworth, the game is merely taking into account the growth of Kyle's mulletude. While Kyle was less than impressive in your spring training, the growth of the mullet, as it does with all pitchers, inevitably increases velocity and unhitability.

Matteo · 05-04-2004, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by satchel
The report that said he lost throwing velocity was probably referring to his ‘Velocity’ pitching rating. The actual speed at which he throws the ball is the MPH figure. Although these things seem similar, and are obviously related, they aren’t the exact same thing. A player can lose or gain Velocity and still be throwing the ball at the same speed.

???

Sorry, but I have no clue what you are talking about...

xvagrantxchristx · 05-05-2004, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matteo
???

Sorry, but I have no clue what you are talking about...

I think its a physics thing, where velocity and speed don't have the same definition. I don't know, I didn't get a good grade in physics.

satchel · 05-05-2004, 03:32 PM

Picture the MPH report of how hard the player throws as a real physical piece of data, like a radar-gun readout. The player’s Velocity is a theoretical construct, related to the actual speed of the player’s pitches, but not correlating directly.

Matteo · 05-05-2004, 04:40 PM

I know the difference between velocity and speed, it is just that I only see velocity as a player rating. Thus, when the example is as above described, a player that has an decrease in velocity according to ST, yet his velocity rating increases doesn't make sense.

IMO, there is no speed rating in v6....

Henry · 05-05-2004, 04:47 PM

Instead of worrying about what the ratings are called, focus on what they mean....

* Good Movement (Primary Rating) & Good Control = less Homeruns

* Good Stuff (Primary Rating) & Good Velocity & Good Control = more Strikeouts

* Good Control (Primary Rating) = less walks

..and there is a question into Markus as to whether Velocity is working correctly.

Henry

05-01-2004, 12:44 PM	#1
steady teddy Major Leagues Join Date: May 2003 Location: Macomb, Michigan Posts: 407	Interpreting Spring Training results I'm not sure how to interpret Spring Training Results. For instance, my Closer last year had a pitch velocity of "96-100 mph". But this year's Spring Training results for him are: "Dante Camara has good pitching sessions! Dante Camara has lost some throwing velocity." But as I start a new season his pitch velocity has gone up to "100+ mph" So how can he lose pitch velocity in Spring Training and yet throw harder ? Should this loss in velocity be interpreted as being temporary? Or maybe he just had a bad Spring Training? Thanks in advance

05-04-2004, 07:16 AM	#4
beorn All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: near Rochester, NY Posts: 1,269	The more I see of spring training reports, the less reliable I think they are. __________________ Commish of Dog Days Baseball Commish Pennant Chase Baseball League (PCBL) Commish and Blue Jays GM Extra Innings Baseball

05-04-2004, 05:53 PM	#6
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	The report that said he lost throwing velocity was probably referring to his ‘Velocity’ pitching rating. The actual speed at which he throws the ball is the MPH figure. Although these things seem similar, and are obviously related, they aren’t the exact same thing. A player can lose or gain Velocity and still be throwing the ball at the same speed. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59

05-05-2004, 03:32 PM	#10
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	Picture the MPH report of how hard the player throws as a real physical piece of data, like a radar-gun readout. The player’s Velocity is a theoretical construct, related to the actual speed of the player’s pitches, but not correlating directly. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59

05-05-2004, 04:40 PM	#11
Matteo Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 473	I know the difference between velocity and speed, it is just that I only see velocity as a player rating. Thus, when the example is as above described, a player that has an decrease in velocity according to ST, yet his velocity rating increases doesn't make sense. IMO, there is no speed rating in v6.... __________________ ESPN The Show live chat during 2004 ALCS: Julie (Boston): Do you think Jeter does the fist pump everytime he disappoints a woman in bed? Or does he save it for when he's with A-Rod? Bill Simmons: Whoops - I didn't mean to post that. Really, I didn't.

05-04-2004, 04:19 AM	#2
backspace4353 Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 72	I have da same problem with ootp4 and 5. I have not gotten 6 yet cuz they are not telling me when the cd is going to ship heeeeeeeee.

05-04-2004, 05:25 AM	#3
xvagrantxchristx Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 39	What the spring training report failed to tell you is that after Dante Camara lost some throwing velocity he went on an Atkins, BALCO, and Creatine diet. Now he is a lean, mean, baseball throwing machine....but has lost several points in control (of his bowel movements!) Christopher Martin (NOT the leadsinger of Coldplay!)

05-04-2004, 04:55 PM	#5
kingpin1976 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 402	The thing that was at the top of my wishlist for v6 was spring training but oh well still a good release.

05-04-2004, 10:17 PM	#7
ragnaar15 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 77	The answer is really quite simple. Since Dante Camara is the OOTP 6 kosher name for Kyle Farnsworth, the game is merely taking into account the growth of Kyle's mulletude. While Kyle was less than impressive in your spring training, the growth of the mullet, as it does with all pitchers, inevitably increases velocity and unhitability.

05-05-2004, 04:47 PM	#12
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Instead of worrying about what the ratings are called, focus on what they mean.... * Good Movement (Primary Rating) & Good Control = less Homeruns * Good Stuff (Primary Rating) & Good Velocity & Good Control = more Strikeouts * Good Control (Primary Rating) = less walks ..and there is a question into Markus as to whether Velocity is working correctly. Henry