Starting Pitchers in relief

rdomico · 04-30-2004, 08:29 AM

I used a starting pitching in relief. He hadn't pitched in over 5 days. He threw about 10 pitches. I only used for one inning.

The next day I look and he is tired after throwing 10 pitches over a 5 day period.

Is there code in OOTP that says if you are a starting pitcher and you pitch in a game(relief or start), you will be tired the next day?

Thanks

Tekneek · 04-30-2004, 08:37 AM

I don't think I have *ever* seen a starter come in as relief and pitch the next day in the real world. If OOTP tries to prevent that, then good on it. Starters prepare differently than relief pitchers do.

tward13 · 04-30-2004, 08:42 AM

That could be a problem for an historical sim, but not for anything current.

Tom the Fish · 04-30-2004, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tekneek
I don't think I have *ever* seen a starter come in as relief and pitch the next day in the real world. If OOTP tries to prevent that, then good on it. Starters prepare differently than relief pitchers do.

Tim Wakefield did it last year. When it happened they pointed to another instance not to far back in the past (not Wakefield), but I can't remember who it was now. So while rare, it's not impossible.

Tom

mad0die · 04-30-2004, 09:20 AM

What is a starter in OOTP6? A guy with the starter tag? That can be easily changed to MR or CL. Does that change his fatigue pattern? I would HOPE that fatigue is based on their single numerical duration regardless of what they are tagged as. Wasn't this the whole point of going to one duration for all pitchers?

rdomico · 04-30-2004, 10:12 AM

He was listed as a starter. I never planned on starting him. I wanted to use him in long relief. I guess I could change him to MR.

I was just wondering if OOTP forced all pitchers designated as a "Starter" to be tired the day after they pitch regardless of whether it is in relief or as a starter.

HH20xx convert · 04-30-2004, 10:36 AM

The AI does not change the classification of pitchers on its staff, so a middle reliever (pitching staff page) works 10 pitches, and can't work for two or three days if his player card still says starter. Most of the AI teams in my league were not affected, but one had three 'starters' on its relief staff. If you don't manually adjust this, the AI is at a big disadvantage. Hope this 'bug' gets fixed.

MidnightPyro · 04-30-2004, 10:55 AM

Is there any sort of proof that the AI treats players that are fatigued with the MR tag than if they are fatigued (or fatigue in general) with the SP tag?

thehatfield · 04-30-2004, 10:59 AM

If the starter coming in as a reliever pitches more than one inning, which I've done only once I think since OOTP6, he was alright for the next day. I think it was about 48 pitches 2 & 1/3 innings.

Long_Long_Name · 04-30-2004, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom the Fish
Tim Wakefield did it last year. When it happened they pointed to another instance not to far back in the past (not Wakefield), but I can't remember who it was now. So while rare, it's not impossible.

I *think* the Arizona Diamondbacks did it with Randy Johnson in the 2001 World Series.

dodger300 · 04-30-2004, 11:57 AM

I don't know how much effect a pitcher being tired has on his ratings . But I have used Tom Martin, and Gagne to get me 1 or 2 outs when tired. So just because a pitcher is fatigued don't be afraid to use him.

04-30-2004, 08:29 AM	#1
rdomico All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Monaca, PA Posts: 828	Starting Pitchers in relief I used a starting pitching in relief. He hadn't pitched in over 5 days. He threw about 10 pitches. I only used for one inning. The next day I look and he is tired after throwing 10 pitches over a 5 day period. Is there code in OOTP that says if you are a starting pitcher and you pitch in a game(relief or start), you will be tired the next day? Thanks

04-30-2004, 09:20 AM	#5
mad0die All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: TX Posts: 913	What is a starter in OOTP6? A guy with the starter tag? That can be easily changed to MR or CL. Does that change his fatigue pattern? I would HOPE that fatigue is based on their single numerical duration regardless of what they are tagged as. Wasn't this the whole point of going to one duration for all pitchers? __________________ Commish GUBA

04-30-2004, 10:59 AM	#9
thehatfield All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: dirty jerz Posts: 1,339	If the starter coming in as a reliever pitches more than one inning, which I've done only once I think since OOTP6, he was alright for the next day. I think it was about 48 pitches 2 & 1/3 innings. __________________ AFBL - Maryland Bridegrooms SBC - Western Suburbs Magpies no pressure no problem

04-30-2004, 11:57 AM	#11
dodger300 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 268	I don't know how much effect a pitcher being tired has on his ratings . But I have used Tom Martin, and Gagne to get me 1 or 2 outs when tired. So just because a pitcher is fatigued don't be afraid to use him. __________________

04-30-2004, 08:37 AM	#2
Tekneek Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: GA, USA Posts: 453	I don't think I have ever seen a starter come in as relief and pitch the next day in the real world. If OOTP tries to prevent that, then good on it. Starters prepare differently than relief pitchers do.

04-30-2004, 08:42 AM	#3
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	That could be a problem for an historical sim, but not for anything current.

04-30-2004, 10:12 AM	#6
rdomico All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Monaca, PA Posts: 828	He was listed as a starter. I never planned on starting him. I wanted to use him in long relief. I guess I could change him to MR. I was just wondering if OOTP forced all pitchers designated as a "Starter" to be tired the day after they pitch regardless of whether it is in relief or as a starter.

04-30-2004, 10:36 AM	#7
HH20xx convert Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 225	The AI does not change the classification of pitchers on its staff, so a middle reliever (pitching staff page) works 10 pitches, and can't work for two or three days if his player card still says starter. Most of the AI teams in my league were not affected, but one had three 'starters' on its relief staff. If you don't manually adjust this, the AI is at a big disadvantage. Hope this 'bug' gets fixed.

04-30-2004, 10:55 AM	#8
MidnightPyro Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 228	Is there any sort of proof that the AI treats players that are fatigued with the MR tag than if they are fatigued (or fatigue in general) with the SP tag?