MVP Award

kdawg · 04-01-2004, 10:07 AM

The MVP award was never given to the best player in the each but to the player who hit the most homeruns. I wish there was a true MVP award in OOTP and a Sliver Slugger award for the best hitter. Is this something that will be different in OOTP6?

ctorg · 04-01-2004, 10:45 AM

That's not entirely true. I've had plenty of seasons in plenty of leagues in which the winner wasn't even in the top 5 in HR. I do think that there is a little too much emphasis placed on HR, though.

Treches · 04-01-2004, 10:49 AM

Agree, too much emphasis on HR in many areas (i.e. lineup, active roster, salary....). Not as much as in previous versions, but still too much for my taste.

cameronbelldina · 04-01-2004, 11:24 AM

Batting average goes a long way as well. It seems if a guy "A" hits .360 for the season and has lets say 30 homeruns and guy "B" hits .295 and leads the league with 45 homeruns usually (most of the time) guy "A" will win the MVP. There may be a little too much of an emphasis on the long ball but, if a guy ends up with a terrific BA and decent HR support he is gonna win the MVP more times than not.

Henry · 04-01-2004, 11:34 AM

Actually, here's a place I think we can add some reality to the game. If the awards "ceremony" was developed a little more in terms of the story it tells, some randomization could be added to the choice - and a simulated voting step by the media could be added. In other words, have the game pick out the top 3 likely candidates, and have a random vote by the media as to who wins. That would create some excitement and plenty of argumentative discussion as an afterthought

Henry

cameronbelldina · 04-01-2004, 11:40 AM

Wow that is a really good idea. That would add quite a bit of excitement to the end of the year awards and would add some drama to the game. I think that would be a truly standout idea, and would add a little bit to the news section which needs some updates. The whole media concept would be truly unique. I hope something like this could make OOTP6 in a future patch.

Joe Canadian · 04-01-2004, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Henry
Actually, here's a place I think we can add some reality to the game. If the awards "ceremony" was developed a little more in terms of the story it tells, some randomization could be added to the choice - and a simulated voting step by the media could be added. In other words, have the game pick out the top 3 likely candidates, and have a random vote by the media as to who wins. That would create some excitement and plenty of argumentative discussion as an afterthought

Henry

drool

birdsofprey02 · 04-01-2004, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Henry
Actually, here's a place I think we can add some reality to the game. If the awards "ceremony" was developed a little more in terms of the story it tells, some randomization could be added to the choice - and a simulated voting step by the media could be added. In other words, have the game pick out the top 3 likely candidates, and have a random vote by the media as to who wins. That would create some excitement and plenty of argumentative discussion as an afterthought

Henry

I've always wished the game would have more of the media involved. THey should also be involved with all-star voting and what they think players are gonna be worth in FA etc. etc.

ctorg · 04-01-2004, 12:46 PM

I'd like there to be a random element. I also would like to see players have personality ratings in some areas that might affect MVP voting. I mean, a Barry Bonds will win anytime, but if a guy with Gary Carter's personality put up similar numbers, the personality might give him some edge.

mauboy · 04-01-2004, 01:01 PM

To go off of why HR guys usually win the MVP's.

Obviously, the HR hitter hit 45 HR's. He probably has about 120 RBI's, and 110 Runs scored.

The .360 hitter probably has 10 HR's, 80 RBI's, 120 Runs scored. But that's not always the case, but, I don't know!

I would say runs created is the main thing that should be looked at when deciding an MVP.

rogmax11 · 04-01-2004, 01:41 PM

Henry I totally agree; Ive been lobbying for something similar for ages--perhaps your proximity to the powers that be will prove sufficient to bump this into reality. And as a side issue, at least for solo players, I would REALLY like it if the gamer had an option to override the program in this and other awards categories.

Henry · 04-01-2004, 01:58 PM

I'll see if I can write something up and see what Markus thinks of the idea for a later patch.

Henry

CareyScurry · 04-01-2004, 01:59 PM

Would people prefer that the MVP award reflect who the best player was or who did the things traditionally associated with winning an MVP? There are a host of formulas that have been developed which try to model the latter...

Ktulu · 04-01-2004, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Actually, here's a place I think we can add some reality to the game. If the awards "ceremony" was developed a little more in terms of the story it tells, some randomization could be added to the choice - and a simulated voting step by the media could be added. In other words, have the game pick out the top 3 likely candidates, and have a random vote by the media as to who wins. That would create some excitement and plenty of argumentative discussion as an afterthought

How about instead of the "media" every manager gets to vote on who he thinks should win the MVP. So basically you as a manager get 1 vote, and the cpu handles the rest for the other managers(obviously for online leagues every manager would get a vote).

Cooker · 04-01-2004, 03:29 PM

Henry, you're a GENIUS! Write it up!!

TheRockCT · 04-01-2004, 06:50 PM

I know that some people here in online leagues use owner voting to reflect the winners of awards. I still would like to see an option when the playoffs end that prompts you with a text box that asks you "Would you like to select your own Award Winners?" If you click no, of course you'll move on to the game's AI of handling winners. If you click yes though, you'll be able to manually input the winners your league voted on, or in solo play you can manually input your own based on your opinions. And to fix the problem of just adding a name & the game not knowing where to store it, it would require you to enter the Player ID number. I would rather stay IN the game and click the player's photo to find his ID # than to manually edit the appropriate text files, that's for sure!

Something like this prompt could also be added at the All-Star game for those people who wish to have some input there.

Just thinking of something that could be in a later patch/version.

PrestonKaye · 04-01-2004, 08:23 PM

I also think you should be able to decide the players who make the Allstar game (only if you want to)

I Am The Game · 04-01-2004, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mauboy
To go off of why HR guys usually win the MVP's.

Obviously, the HR hitter hit 45 HR's. He probably has about 120 RBI's, and 110 Runs scored.

The .360 hitter probably has 10 HR's, 80 RBI's, 120 Runs scored. But that's not always the case, but, I don't know!

I would say runs created is the main thing that should be looked at when deciding an MVP.

Well, the guy who brought up the example said the .360 hitter had 30 HRs, which would naturally gives him more RBIs as well.

KenM746003 · 04-01-2004, 08:43 PM

Great idea. It would be nice to see all of the voting, to see what place everyone finished in as well.

BaseballMan · 04-01-2004, 10:09 PM

I like Henry's idea of news reports on the mvp race but there would need to more options on picking mvp aand actually all-star selection could use some more options for selecting all-star.

Right now i just take the top 3 in winshares and add their grey ink scores.
and adding points for no hitters, all-star apperance etc.
Pitchers have to have 50% more than top hitter.

If i have no batters i just take the top 2 batters in winshares. If no pitchers i just ignore since pitchers dont usually win anyway. Only reason is because in early years of a 19th century league pitchers would end up wining a lot. So thats why i made the 50% rule.

Its not perfect but i dont see the hr leader or avg leader wining every year.

04-01-2004, 10:07 AM	#1
kdawg Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Bedford, MA Posts: 63	MVP Award The MVP award was never given to the best player in the each but to the player who hit the most homeruns. I wish there was a true MVP award in OOTP and a Sliver Slugger award for the best hitter. Is this something that will be different in OOTP6? __________________ Your Friend in Plastics "Reality continues to ruin my life." - Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes "I will find humor in my everyday life by looking for people I can laugh at"

04-01-2004, 10:45 AM	#2
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	That's not entirely true. I've had plenty of seasons in plenty of leagues in which the winner wasn't even in the top 5 in HR. I do think that there is a little too much emphasis placed on HR, though. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

04-01-2004, 10:49 AM	#3
Treches Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Damned Hell Posts: 2,150	Agree, too much emphasis on HR in many areas (i.e. lineup, active roster, salary....). Not as much as in previous versions, but still too much for my taste. __________________ The Computer Baseball League

04-01-2004, 11:24 AM	#4
cameronbelldina Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 231	Batting average goes a long way as well. It seems if a guy "A" hits .360 for the season and has lets say 30 homeruns and guy "B" hits .295 and leads the league with 45 homeruns usually (most of the time) guy "A" will win the MVP. There may be a little too much of an emphasis on the long ball but, if a guy ends up with a terrific BA and decent HR support he is gonna win the MVP more times than not. __________________ Say what you want, not what's implied.

04-01-2004, 11:40 AM	#6
cameronbelldina Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 231	Wow that is a really good idea. That would add quite a bit of excitement to the end of the year awards and would add some drama to the game. I think that would be a truly standout idea, and would add a little bit to the news section which needs some updates. The whole media concept would be truly unique. I hope something like this could make OOTP6 in a future patch. __________________ Say what you want, not what's implied.

04-01-2004, 11:34 AM	#5
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Actually, here's a place I think we can add some reality to the game. If the awards "ceremony" was developed a little more in terms of the story it tells, some randomization could be added to the choice - and a simulated voting step by the media could be added. In other words, have the game pick out the top 3 likely candidates, and have a random vote by the media as to who wins. That would create some excitement and plenty of argumentative discussion as an afterthought Henry

04-01-2004, 12:46 PM	#9
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I'd like there to be a random element. I also would like to see players have personality ratings in some areas that might affect MVP voting. I mean, a Barry Bonds will win anytime, but if a guy with Gary Carter's personality put up similar numbers, the personality might give him some edge. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

04-01-2004, 01:01 PM	#10
mauboy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,906	To go off of why HR guys usually win the MVP's. Obviously, the HR hitter hit 45 HR's. He probably has about 120 RBI's, and 110 Runs scored. The .360 hitter probably has 10 HR's, 80 RBI's, 120 Runs scored. But that's not always the case, but, I don't know! I would say runs created is the main thing that should be looked at when deciding an MVP.

04-01-2004, 01:41 PM	#11
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	Henry I totally agree; Ive been lobbying for something similar for ages--perhaps your proximity to the powers that be will prove sufficient to bump this into reality. And as a side issue, at least for solo players, I would REALLY like it if the gamer had an option to override the program in this and other awards categories.

04-01-2004, 01:58 PM	#12
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	I'll see if I can write something up and see what Markus thinks of the idea for a later patch. Henry

04-01-2004, 01:59 PM	#13
CareyScurry Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NC Posts: 109	Would people prefer that the MVP award reflect who the best player was or who did the things traditionally associated with winning an MVP? There are a host of formulas that have been developed which try to model the latter...

04-01-2004, 03:29 PM	#15
Cooker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 592	Henry, you're a GENIUS! Write it up!!

04-01-2004, 06:50 PM	#16
TheRockCT All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: TN Posts: 1,083	I know that some people here in online leagues use owner voting to reflect the winners of awards. I still would like to see an option when the playoffs end that prompts you with a text box that asks you "Would you like to select your own Award Winners?" If you click no, of course you'll move on to the game's AI of handling winners. If you click yes though, you'll be able to manually input the winners your league voted on, or in solo play you can manually input your own based on your opinions. And to fix the problem of just adding a name & the game not knowing where to store it, it would require you to enter the Player ID number. I would rather stay IN the game and click the player's photo to find his ID # than to manually edit the appropriate text files, that's for sure! Something like this prompt could also be added at the All-Star game for those people who wish to have some input there. Just thinking of something that could be in a later patch/version. __________________ GM, Vermont Emperor Penguins - POTD POTD Champions: 2011, 2012, 2013 GM, Monterrey Aztecs* - NABA NABA Champions: 2013 Last edited by TheRockCT; 04-01-2004 at 07:02 PM.*

04-01-2004, 08:23 PM	#17
PrestonKaye All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cape Cod, Mass Posts: 849	I also think you should be able to decide the players who make the Allstar game (only if you want to) __________________ --Championships aren't won on paper, they are won in a computer simulation!-- Vipors Baseball.... BITCHES Xenoz http://img184.exs.cx/img184/219/keblarsig2xy.jpg Flow Storm http://img47.exs.cx/img47/328/ab1copy8hs.jpg

04-01-2004, 08:43 PM	#19
KenM746003 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5	Great idea. It would be nice to see all of the voting, to see what place everyone finished in as well.

04-01-2004, 10:09 PM	#20
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,542	I like Henry's idea of news reports on the mvp race but there would need to more options on picking mvp aand actually all-star selection could use some more options for selecting all-star. Right now i just take the top 3 in winshares and add their grey ink scores. and adding points for no hitters, all-star apperance etc. Pitchers have to have 50% more than top hitter. If i have no batters i just take the top 2 batters in winshares. If no pitchers i just ignore since pitchers dont usually win anyway. Only reason is because in early years of a 19th century league pitchers would end up wining a lot. So thats why i made the 50% rule. Its not perfect but i dont see the hr leader or avg leader wining every year.