Rating fighters ourselves... Lets do it!!!

thebadguy · 03-21-2004, 03:15 PM

OK, until Jim comes up with something for us, I am gonna re-rate the active fighters myself, put them in their prime and retire them. I just cannot wait any longer to get my universe going. I went ahead and took the already PRIME fighters and changed them to retired with little or no change on their ratings. Now I am using my opinion and judgement to age or reverse age the others before putting them into RETIRED. It would be really cool if some other guys around here got into this with me and showed your particular rating changes on this thread. Here are two examples of my changes:

Andrew Golota: from post-prime to prime

CB: 8
CS: 9
HP:10
CKD: 2
CKO: 2
Rec: 2
R2C: 3
AP: 2
KI: 8
AGG: 8
END:8
DEF:2
FS:1
FoR: 3
DP: 5
Con: 3
Int: 4
Pro: 10
FI: 3
FO: 2
CU:1
GFKO:3
Clinching: 71
Style: Slugger
Fouls: Frequent
2pt 3pt
---------------------------
Jabs: 20 / 2
Hooks: 12 / 8
Crosses:10 / 11
Combo: 10 / 7
Uppercuts:12 / 8
---------------------------
Punch:38
CP:36
PM:60
Overall: 8

Ray Mercer from End to Prime

CB:8
CS:10
HP:10
CKD:2
CKO:1
Rec:2
R2C:1
AP:2
KI:8
Agg:8
End:8
Def:2
FS:2
FoR:3
DP:4
Cond:3
Int:8
Pro:10
FI:4
FO:1
CU:1
GFKO:2
Clinch:70
Style:Slugger
Fouls:Occasionally
2pt 3pt
---------------------------
Jabs: 12 / 2
Hooks: 21 / 12
Crosses: 15 / 6
Combo: 13 / 3
Uppercuts: 12 / 4
----------------------------
Punching:36
CP:34
PM:63
Overall:8

I also did Maskaev, Jones Jr. and Toney, which I will post later if anyone is interested. I am waiting for feedback and other ideas before I do the others. Please be brutally honest. Tell me if these ratings are somewhat accurate or completely off. I want to do this as realistic as possible and for now I will concentrate only on the HW's. Thanks guys.

thebadguy · 03-21-2004, 03:51 PM

Sorry about the above layout. It didn't come out anything like I typed it.

mh2365 · 03-21-2004, 04:58 PM

It'd be easier if you exported them, so anyone who wants them can just download them.

hamed · 03-21-2004, 06:33 PM

They look good to me.

Rocco Del Sesto · 03-21-2004, 09:45 PM

Why not export a CSV file off the whole data base, import it then into Excel and set up some formulas to do the conversions. Once you set up to do one fighter then copy the formulas to all of the active fighters.

I was thinking about doing this with the parameters that Cube had posted on an earlier thread as I thought I read some comments that those coversions where thought to be more accurate at least as a starting point then what there is in that new data file they posted with all the active figthers converted or using that new option available in version 1.3.

Rocco

SAL · 03-22-2004, 11:38 PM

One thing I have noticed about fighter ratings in the game that the Trunzo's have rated over the years is that the actual ratings of the individual boxers (CF,HP,Def,PL,etc.)don't change much or even at all. Most of time the only change I have seen is a change in thier status such as pre-prime,prime,post- prime and end. I think they just change the status and let the game make the behind the scenes adjustments to the fighters ratings. I changed all of my active fighters in the game to retired and prime and only tweaked a small precentage of the fighters ratings.

Scot

JeffR · 03-23-2004, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SAL
One thing I have noticed about fighter ratings in the game that the Trunzo's have rated over the years is that the actual ratings of the individual boxers (CF,HP,Def,PL,etc.)don't change much or even at all. Most of time the only change I have seen is a change in thier status such as pre-prime,prime,post- prime and end. I think they just change the status and let the game make the behind the scenes adjustments to the fighters ratings.

There are no "behind the scenes adjustments" for the career stage setting on active boxers. It's just informational. Career stage only affects ratings when it's set for a retired fighter as part of the fight setup.

erickdamac · 03-23-2004, 11:41 AM

I like this Idea because People who are like badguy, (More into the active fighters) Can help people like Me Who are more into the 70's fighters and People like vista can help another person, and ect. Its a great idea everyone should post, or attach the fighters from a era that they know more about, Im going to start with guys I know from the 70's since thats the era I like the Most.

thebadguy · 03-23-2004, 12:24 PM

Well, you're kinda right Erick. Im not "more into the active fighters" because I think they are swell fighters. Most of them (the HW's anyway) suck!! I am alot more interested in the 60's - 90's era. But as far as TBCB goes, I do spend alot of time talking about the active fighters simply because I want to rate them back to their prime. The reason I want to do this is of course because in MY universe... I want ALL fighters involved, nut just the retired guys. I want to have everyone retired and in their prime condition before I get my universe going. I thought with this thread, some of the guys might send in their ideas on certain fighters and how they should be rated.

vistaman44 · 03-23-2004, 12:49 PM

The HP for Mercer seems too high, and I would probably lower the punches connected and fighting outside strategy for Golota. Guinn seems a little too good for what he's accomplished so far, but you aknowledged your leaning on that subject. The rest looks good to me.

I assume Jones Jr. and Toney will be excellent, but Maskaev had to be a tough one. Will be interesting to see ...

SAL · 03-23-2004, 12:58 PM

JeffR
I agree with you 100% that there is no behind the scenes adjustment for active fighters. That is why I set all my active fighters to retired first and then I can use the career stages. I was just trying to say the more consistent boxers over a 10 to 20 year career that I have seen very little change in thier ratings from when they were rated as active and then a prime retied card.

SAL · 03-23-2004, 03:11 PM

thebadguy
Here is what I did with my active fighters. Changed all the active fighters to retired and prime. The fighters that were allready at prime I left thier ratings alone. Fighters at post-prime, I changed thier PL/CP +2 and in some cases thier KD,(AP if rated a 3 or higher) and KO reduced them by 1. For the guys at end, changed thier PL/CP +2 and Defense -2 (unless he just has no defense in which case I left his defense alone) and changed thier KO.KD,Rec,and AP ratings if they didn't get TKO'd or KO'd alot untill the end of thier career.

Scot

03-21-2004, 03:15 PM	#1
thebadguy Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ephrata, WA Posts: 429	Rating fighters ourselves... Lets do it!!! OK, until Jim comes up with something for us, I am gonna re-rate the active fighters myself, put them in their prime and retire them. I just cannot wait any longer to get my universe going. I went ahead and took the already PRIME fighters and changed them to retired with little or no change on their ratings. Now I am using my opinion and judgement to age or reverse age the others before putting them into RETIRED. It would be really cool if some other guys around here got into this with me and showed your particular rating changes on this thread. Here are two examples of my changes: Andrew Golota: from post-prime to prime CB: 8 CS: 9 HP:10 CKD: 2 CKO: 2 Rec: 2 R2C: 3 AP: 2 KI: 8 AGG: 8 END:8 DEF:2 FS:1 FoR: 3 DP: 5 Con: 3 Int: 4 Pro: 10 FI: 3 FO: 2 CU:1 GFKO:3 Clinching: 71 Style: Slugger Fouls: Frequent 2pt 3pt --------------------------- Jabs: 20 / 2 Hooks: 12 / 8 Crosses:10 / 11 Combo: 10 / 7 Uppercuts:12 / 8 --------------------------- Punch:38 CP:36 PM:60 Overall: 8 Ray Mercer from End to Prime CB:8 CS:10 HP:10 CKD:2 CKO:1 Rec:2 R2C:1 AP:2 KI:8 Agg:8 End:8 Def:2 FS:2 FoR:3 DP:4 Cond:3 Int:8 Pro:10 FI:4 FO:1 CU:1 GFKO:2 Clinch:70 Style:Slugger Fouls:Occasionally 2pt 3pt --------------------------- Jabs: 12 / 2 Hooks: 21 / 12 Crosses: 15 / 6 Combo: 13 / 3 Uppercuts: 12 / 4 ---------------------------- Punching:36 CP:34 PM:63 Overall:8 I also did Maskaev, Jones Jr. and Toney, which I will post later if anyone is interested. I am waiting for feedback and other ideas before I do the others. Please be brutally honest. Tell me if these ratings are somewhat accurate or completely off. I want to do this as realistic as possible and for now I will concentrate only on the HW's. Thanks guys. __________________ "You need people like me... you need people like me so you can point your ***ing fingers... and say, thats the badguy!" - Al Pacino (Scarface) Last edited by thebadguy; 03-27-2004 at 11:03 PM.*

03-21-2004, 03:51 PM	#2
thebadguy Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ephrata, WA Posts: 429	Sorry about the above layout. It didn't come out anything like I typed it. __________________ "You need people like me... you need people like me so you can point your ****ing fingers... and say, thats the badguy!" - Al Pacino (Scarface)

03-23-2004, 12:24 PM	#9
thebadguy Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ephrata, WA Posts: 429	Well, you're kinda right Erick. Im not "more into the active fighters" because I think they are swell fighters. Most of them (the HW's anyway) suck!! I am alot more interested in the 60's - 90's era. But as far as TBCB goes, I do spend alot of time talking about the active fighters simply because I want to rate them back to their prime. The reason I want to do this is of course because in MY universe... I want ALL fighters involved, nut just the retired guys. I want to have everyone retired and in their prime condition before I get my universe going. I thought with this thread, some of the guys might send in their ideas on certain fighters and how they should be rated. __________________ "You need people like me... you need people like me so you can point your ****ing fingers... and say, thats the badguy!" - Al Pacino (Scarface)

03-23-2004, 12:49 PM	#10
vistaman44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Auxvasse, Mo. Posts: 3,576	The HP for Mercer seems too high, and I would probably lower the punches connected and fighting outside strategy for Golota. Guinn seems a little too good for what he's accomplished so far, but you aknowledged your leaning on that subject. The rest looks good to me. I assume Jones Jr. and Toney will be excellent, but Maskaev had to be a tough one. Will be interesting to see ... __________________ ---Mark (vistaman44) http://www.fistication.blogspot.com/ "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters, compared to what lies within us." — Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, philosopher and poet (1803-1882) ----------------------------------- Currently operating 1970s SM-HW, 1940s, African, 1980s LW and women's boxing universes

03-21-2004, 04:58 PM	#3
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	It'd be easier if you exported them, so anyone who wants them can just download them.

03-21-2004, 06:33 PM	#4
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	They look good to me.

03-21-2004, 09:45 PM	#5
Rocco Del Sesto Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Watkinsville, Georgia Posts: 2,194	Why not export a CSV file off the whole data base, import it then into Excel and set up some formulas to do the conversions. Once you set up to do one fighter then copy the formulas to all of the active fighters. I was thinking about doing this with the parameters that Cube had posted on an earlier thread as I thought I read some comments that those coversions where thought to be more accurate at least as a starting point then what there is in that new data file they posted with all the active figthers converted or using that new option available in version 1.3. Rocco

03-22-2004, 11:38 PM	#6
SAL Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 5,732	One thing I have noticed about fighter ratings in the game that the Trunzo's have rated over the years is that the actual ratings of the individual boxers (CF,HP,Def,PL,etc.)don't change much or even at all. Most of time the only change I have seen is a change in thier status such as pre-prime,prime,post- prime and end. I think they just change the status and let the game make the behind the scenes adjustments to the fighters ratings. I changed all of my active fighters in the game to retired and prime and only tweaked a small precentage of the fighters ratings. Scot

03-23-2004, 11:41 AM	#8
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	I like this Idea because People who are like badguy, (More into the active fighters) Can help people like Me Who are more into the 70's fighters and People like vista can help another person, and ect. Its a great idea everyone should post, or attach the fighters from a era that they know more about, Im going to start with guys I know from the 70's since thats the era I like the Most.

03-23-2004, 12:58 PM	#11
SAL Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 5,732	JeffR I agree with you 100% that there is no behind the scenes adjustment for active fighters. That is why I set all my active fighters to retired first and then I can use the career stages. I was just trying to say the more consistent boxers over a 10 to 20 year career that I have seen very little change in thier ratings from when they were rated as active and then a prime retied card.

03-23-2004, 03:11 PM	#12
SAL Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 5,732	thebadguy Here is what I did with my active fighters. Changed all the active fighters to retired and prime. The fighters that were allready at prime I left thier ratings alone. Fighters at post-prime, I changed thier PL/CP +2 and in some cases thier KD,(AP if rated a 3 or higher) and KO reduced them by 1. For the guys at end, changed thier PL/CP +2 and Defense -2 (unless he just has no defense in which case I left his defense alone) and changed thier KO.KD,Rec,and AP ratings if they didn't get TKO'd or KO'd alot untill the end of thier career. Scot