Bobby Crosby or Hee Seop Choi?

MrWorkrate · 02-16-2004, 05:00 PM

I made this trade in a Scoresheet Baseball league. Seemed pretty straight up, with both players with a decent amount of question marks. Both are signed for this season and next for cheap contracts at exactly the same price.

So, who got the better of the deal? Both teams traded depth for need positions.

Jordan · 02-16-2004, 05:22 PM

Crosby....I loved Hee Seop while he was with Chicago, but he trailed off after his concussion in June. Crosby also can play a few positions, right?

Mike D · 02-16-2004, 05:36 PM

Be careful some *******s around here might not consider this to be the right kind of post for sports talk.

LiftTheCurse · 02-16-2004, 05:43 PM

I'd go with Choi. I think he will delelope into a better player down that OOTP road

MrWorkrate · 02-16-2004, 05:55 PM

Just so everyone knows, it isn't an OOTP league. This is a fantasy league run by Scoresheet Baseball.

So we're talking real life here, guys.

EagleEye_0 · 02-16-2004, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by MrWorkrate
we're talking real life here, guys.

WTF is that?

Crapshoot · 02-16-2004, 07:00 PM

choi has superstar potential- crosby is more likely to end up as a good, but not great, player.

EagleEye_0 · 02-16-2004, 07:02 PM

Who else do you have at 1B and SS and what are your starting lineup requirements?

Karros270 · 02-16-2004, 07:10 PM

Is Choi going to be the opening day starter for the Marlins?

BigJeromeAFRO · 02-16-2004, 07:22 PM

I'd go with Choi....

twins15 · 02-16-2004, 08:11 PM

I'd go with Choi as well, if you get points for BB.

LiftTheCurse · 02-16-2004, 10:06 PM

Agreed, Choi will get a ton of Walks...ONe of his best qaulity's

JML · 02-16-2004, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by Mike D
Be careful some *******s around here might not consider this to be the right kind of post for sports talk.

Nice.

Anyway...

I'd go with Choi. I think the concussion was precisely why he fell off last year. Given a fresh start this season, I think he will do good things.

LiftTheCurse · 02-16-2004, 11:05 PM

I belive Chio is the starter, for now.

CBLCardinals · 02-16-2004, 11:31 PM

For what its worth, John Sickels (author of The Baseball Prospect Book, 2004) has Bobby Crosby pegged as an "A" quality prospect. He only designated about 9 current minor league players with that lofty label.

Other "A" prospects include:
rhp Zach Greinke, KC
c Joe Mauer, MIN
rhp Ryan Wagner, CIN
rhp Edwin Jackson, LAN
1b Justin Morneau, MIN
2b Rickie Weeks, MIL
ss BJ Upton, TB
1b Casey Kotchman, ANA

elibangkok · 02-16-2004, 11:53 PM

It depends, what categories are counted in your league?

Skipaway · 02-17-2004, 12:55 AM

Does Choi have a smaller margin of error because Jeff Conine is around?

AnotherAlias · 02-17-2004, 10:27 AM

I'd go with Bing Crosby. Choi just can't hit the low notes.

MrWorkrate · 02-17-2004, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by elibangkok
It depends, what categories are counted in your league?

It's a sim-based league. Scoresheet sims games between teams in the league based on real life performances that week. In essence, it's kind of like live action OOTP.

So, statistics are good, but only those that are not directly related to the real life team around them. Things like batting average and home runs are good, but a guy who gets 120 RBI during season is worth the same as someone who gets 45 RBI, if all other statistics are the same.

Defense plays a role as well. Each player has a range number that makes them above or below average at their position, plus the errors the player makes are reflected in the end results.

For more background on the trade, I traded Crosby because I had Alex Cintron and Jose Reyes already on the roster, but only had Jason Stokes at the 1B position (the draft is still to come, and I have cap room). The team I traded him to had no shortstops, but had Travis Hafner already at first (and also has cap room), so Choi was expendable.

View Poll Results: Who would you rather have?
Hee Seop Choi, 1B, Marlins	11	52.38%
Bobby Crosby, SS, A's	10	47.62%
Voters: 21. You may not vote on this poll

02-16-2004, 05:00 PM	#1
MrWorkrate All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,262	Bobby Crosby or Hee Seop Choi? I made this trade in a Scoresheet Baseball league. Seemed pretty straight up, with both players with a decent amount of question marks. Both are signed for this season and next for cheap contracts at exactly the same price. So, who got the better of the deal? Both teams traded depth for need positions. __________________ I used to come here a lot. Now, not so much.

02-16-2004, 05:36 PM	#3
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	Be careful some *******s around here might not consider this to be the right kind of post for sports talk. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

02-16-2004, 05:43 PM	#4
LiftTheCurse Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Maine Posts: 633	I'd go with Choi. I think he will delelope into a better player down that OOTP road __________________ http://lotg.christianbaseball.com Philadelphia Phillies/ NL President(1901)23-16 Best Record in the League http://www.ulb.simleaguecentral.com Baltimore Orioles 2004 AL EAST CHAMPION 2005:13-5:1st in AL East

02-16-2004, 05:55 PM	#5
MrWorkrate All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,262	Just so everyone knows, it isn't an OOTP league. This is a fantasy league run by Scoresheet Baseball. So we're talking real life here, guys. __________________ I used to come here a lot. Now, not so much.

02-16-2004, 05:22 PM	#2
Jordan All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chi Suburbs now... Posts: 1,991	Crosby....I loved Hee Seop while he was with Chicago, but he trailed off after his concussion in June. Crosby also can play a few positions, right?

02-16-2004, 07:00 PM	#7
Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	choi has superstar potential- crosby is more likely to end up as a good, but not great, player. __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

02-16-2004, 07:02 PM	#8
EagleEye_0 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,426	Who else do you have at 1B and SS and what are your starting lineup requirements?

02-16-2004, 07:10 PM	#9
Karros270 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,392	Is Choi going to be the opening day starter for the Marlins? __________________ now everybody's praying...don't prey on me

02-16-2004, 07:22 PM	#10
BigJeromeAFRO Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: redondo bch, ca Posts: 46	I'd go with Choi....

02-16-2004, 08:11 PM	#11
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	I'd go with Choi as well, if you get points for BB. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

02-16-2004, 10:06 PM	#12
LiftTheCurse Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Maine Posts: 633	Agreed, Choi will get a ton of Walks...ONe of his best qaulity's __________________ http://lotg.christianbaseball.com Philadelphia Phillies/ NL President(1901)23-16 Best Record in the League http://www.ulb.simleaguecentral.com Baltimore Orioles 2004 AL EAST CHAMPION 2005:13-5:1st in AL East

02-16-2004, 11:05 PM	#14
LiftTheCurse Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Maine Posts: 633	I belive Chio is the starter, for now. __________________ http://lotg.christianbaseball.com Philadelphia Phillies/ NL President(1901)23-16 Best Record in the League http://www.ulb.simleaguecentral.com Baltimore Orioles 2004 AL EAST CHAMPION 2005:13-5:1st in AL East

02-16-2004, 11:31 PM	#15
CBLCardinals OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,887	For what its worth, John Sickels (author of The Baseball Prospect Book, 2004) has Bobby Crosby pegged as an "A" quality prospect. He only designated about 9 current minor league players with that lofty label. Other "A" prospects include: rhp Zach Greinke, KC c Joe Mauer, MIN rhp Ryan Wagner, CIN rhp Edwin Jackson, LAN 1b Justin Morneau, MIN 2b Rickie Weeks, MIL ss BJ Upton, TB 1b Casey Kotchman, ANA

02-16-2004, 11:53 PM	#16
elibangkok Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 175	It depends, what categories are counted in your league? __________________ Bangkok Softball

02-17-2004, 12:55 AM	#17
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Does Choi have a smaller margin of error because Jeff Conine is around? __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

02-17-2004, 10:27 AM	#18
AnotherAlias Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I'm back...for now Posts: 4,190	I'd go with Bing Crosby. Choi just can't hit the low notes.