Different types of jobs you can have.

Paul31 · 12-31-2003, 10:52 AM

I used to play a DOS based game in the mid 90's which would allow you to be the owner, GM, coach, or any combination of those things for a baseball team. Something like this, an option where you don't necessarily have control over the whole franchise, would help this game a lot.

When you first start out in your career, maybe you'll get managing offers or GM offers from different teams, but if you are the manager, you won't have any control over the other teams in your franchise and you won't control who gets signed or how finances are handled (Although you could make recommendations). If you are the GM, you will be able to control the minors and sign players but not be able to control how the managers use those players. You wouldn't ever get an offer to run a whole team from top to bottom till you became a living legend.

This is kick ass for several reasons:

It's more realistic- A real manager wouldn't be able to hand-pick all of the people who play for him.
It handicaps the player without being unfair- Give me any team in a single player game and I'll have it winning 120 games a year in 3 seasons. But taking a weak team, dealing with an idiot GM and owner, and winning 85 games would be much more of an accomplishment.

It speeds up the game- People complain sometimes that the whole process of the game in OOTP is too slow. Just being a coach or just being a GM would cut back on the amount of things you need to do in order to play a season.

Also, maybe being able to start as a minor league manager and having to work your way up would be a good option to add, too.

CHCfan · 12-31-2003, 09:19 PM

I personally love this idea and even mentioned myself for v.5. It would add so much to the game and I don't beleive it would be too hard too add. It's the type of thing that could be turned off to, you could just choose to play it as a owner/manager/GM, rather than just one.

I'd really like to know if this has ever been considered as an addition. . .

p.s.- Paul, do you happen to remember what the neame of the game was? It sounds like it could be fun to check out.

Paul31 · 01-01-2004, 10:48 AM

CHC, I think the name of the game was Baseball Manager. It was a shareware game that was out at least 2 or 3 years before even Baseball Mogul began its run. It was an outstanding text-based game that was ahead of its time, if a little easy, and I'm really suprised that I'm the only one on these boards who has played it. The guy who wrote the games, Jeff Dolphin, had a whole lot of games that ran off the same engine.. Baseball Manager, college baseball, college and pro football, and so on. He wasn't even a programmer, he was an astronomy student or something. He could have made a lot of money off of those games if he had added some graphics and put out the word better.

It's probably pretty hard to find now. I just tried searching for it looking for "Jeff Dolphin" + baseball and had no luck. If you do find it let me know.

Steve Kuffrey · 01-01-2004, 11:33 AM

http://www.dolphinsim.com/

Salihna_Al_Assad · 01-04-2004, 04:53 PM

I 100 % support paulc's idea and even remember posting a similar thinking not too long ago but no one pay attention.

the kid named paulc makes some remarkable points to why this should be the way to go
-this woud bring immense realism to the game and make it more challenging.
- in real baseball, only a few managers gets to pick the players they want. let's make it more interesting by making you interact with another AI-GM if you're a manager or if you choose to be a GM then you will have a manager to supervise but will have an owner that will supervise your work .

the only reason why we may never see something like that is because it'll be too much work involve in making it happen so these are pipe dreamz maybe we will see this in ootp28.

Paul31 · 01-05-2004, 12:39 PM

I don't see why it would be THAT much work. The AI is already in place for computer managers, GM's, and Owners. It's just a question of modifying which options are available to the user depending on the type of game you are playing. I mean, it wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to do, but the benefits to the game would outweigh the work needed.

I take it that the sticky at the top of this section represents the ideas that are 'in the lead' when it comes to additions to OOTP6. They look cool, but they are mostly minor and cosmetic changes. It doesn't look like gameplay would really change much at all. The addition in this thread would create much more of an overall improvement to the game.

Paul31 · 01-05-2004, 12:48 PM

And thanks for the link, Steve :-)

Salihna_Al_Assad · 01-05-2004, 07:41 PM

althout i might not agree with you saying the work wont be a load,but you and i share the same frustration.

-im sick and tired of OOTP small baby steps that are made every year.
same story year in year out, there's never been a year when this game made a giant leap, always these little steps.

wake me up when OOTP40 hits the shelves because the way these guys are going forward with this franchise, i'll be 100 year old when they'll finnally get this game where it should be.
OOTP6 was very hard for me to digest and i dont think i'll be going throught another year of little expectations as far as features and the game growth.

i want to see big things happen, i want to see major media and players interaction, i want to see fans interaction. everything is so dead. it's like going throught the motion. this game should be at least where CMfranchise is.

Crapshoot · 01-05-2004, 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by Salihna_Al_Assad
althout i might not agree with you saying the work wont be a load,but you and i share the same frustration.

-im sick and tired of OOTP small baby steps that are made every year.
same story year in year out, there's never been a year when this game made a giant leap, always these little steps.

wake me up when OOTP40 hits the shelves because the way these guys are going forward with this franchise, i'll be 100 year old when they'll finnally get this game where it should be.
OOTP6 was very hard for me to digest and i dont think i'll be going throught another year of little expectations as far as features and the game growth.

i want to see big things happen, i want to see major media and players interaction, i want to see fans interaction. everything is so dead. it's like going throught the motion. this game should be at least where CMfranchise is.

This smacks of idiocy- 6 is looking like it will be taking some of the biggest steps ever, from taking into account of DIPS to better interaction. 5 made big steps from 4, with arbitration, better handling of prospects, an improved interface, a better game engine, and far more online support. Get your facts straight - CM is run by an 8-10 man team- this game has one person , Markus.

And Im impressed you've already got hold of 6- that's quite a successful endeavor...

Salihna_Al_Assad · 01-06-2004, 03:41 PM

"this smacks of idiocy???"

To tell you the truth, i don't know how to approach or feed back your last post because im not sure whether you're trying to be funny or offensive.
But, i'll feed you these few words, you can take it personal, i don't care.
- im sick and tired of fan-boys like yourserf that refuse to let people like me give an opinion unless it's something positive about the company or the game that they support. this is ridiculous, i've seen these fan-boys go at it again and again. It's like a damn career now, seem like these guys have a special security force out there aim to silence any little bad critics.

when i hear this guy say things like " better interface"," better prospect handling", "online support", as a giant leap, i just laught it off.
But i respect that you and i see things differently, and it dont mean that neither of us is wrong, it's just that you the kind of person that is satisfied with 2 points when you play basketball and i always go for 3 pointers;
or you always settle for short, screen passes when you play football whyle i always go for the long deep bomb.

i see things big.

DiMaggio5CF · 01-06-2004, 05:40 PM

I do kind of have to agree that I was disappointed by OOTP5.

It did have some very nice features, such as arbitration and minor league options and recordable minor league stats.

But it didn't add enough to make a big difference.

And there was something missing. I still can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but there is just something about OOTP5 that turned me off.

I feel like I've wasted my money purchasing it. It sits on my computer while I play OOTP4 for hours and hours.

And it has put some very serious doubts in my mind as to whether or not I should purchase version 6.

I know that it is tough to make a game like this, and I appreciate all the hard work that Markus has put into it.

But that doesn't change the fact that I didn't like version 5; and I'm certainly not going to throw my $35 out the window because Markus worked hard.

I like some of the things that I've heard about version 6, but a whole, whole lot has to be added to the game before I'll consider buying it.

Again, this is not a knock on OOTP. I love the series, and I still play OOTP4. But I can understand the comments, and I feel the same way.

Skywalker76 · 01-15-2004, 08:01 AM

yeah I agree with you guys. I was also a little disappointed about OOTP 5. I think that the solo mode should be much more challenging in OOTP 6.
I really like the idea of being a Minor League Manager before you get a job in the Majors.

Karros270 · 01-16-2004, 07:59 PM

You can only add so many features a year. I'd rather have incremental steps done right than huge steps full of bugs. How many games that come out on a yearly basis make huge leaps forward every year?

graham5 · 01-18-2004, 08:59 AM

I think it is important to do things a step at a time - OOTP5 was relatively bug free compared to similar games, and this must be largely attributable to the 'small step' approach.

I thought OOTP5 was great - and I look forward to OOTP6!

I also love the idea of being a minor league manager and proving yourself there before working up to the bigs, and the idea of just being the coach/GM/owner etc, BUT i think that each area would have to be expanded if this were to work - ie when you put all the areas together you have a great game (OOTP5), but if you were only restricted to one area would there be enough to do to hold your interest?

12-31-2003, 10:52 AM	#1
Paul31 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 56	Different types of jobs you can have. I used to play a DOS based game in the mid 90's which would allow you to be the owner, GM, coach, or any combination of those things for a baseball team. Something like this, an option where you don't necessarily have control over the whole franchise, would help this game a lot. When you first start out in your career, maybe you'll get managing offers or GM offers from different teams, but if you are the manager, you won't have any control over the other teams in your franchise and you won't control who gets signed or how finances are handled (Although you could make recommendations). If you are the GM, you will be able to control the minors and sign players but not be able to control how the managers use those players. You wouldn't ever get an offer to run a whole team from top to bottom till you became a living legend. This is kick ass for several reasons: It's more realistic- A real manager wouldn't be able to hand-pick all of the people who play for him. It handicaps the player without being unfair- Give me any team in a single player game and I'll have it winning 120 games a year in 3 seasons. But taking a weak team, dealing with an idiot GM and owner, and winning 85 games would be much more of an accomplishment. It speeds up the game- People complain sometimes that the whole process of the game in OOTP is too slow. Just being a coach or just being a GM would cut back on the amount of things you need to do in order to play a season. Also, maybe being able to start as a minor league manager and having to work your way up would be a good option to add, too.

01-01-2004, 11:33 AM	#4
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01-05-2004, 12:39 PM	#6
Paul31 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 56	I don't see why it would be THAT much work. The AI is already in place for computer managers, GM's, and Owners. It's just a question of modifying which options are available to the user depending on the type of game you are playing. I mean, it wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to do, but the benefits to the game would outweigh the work needed. I take it that the sticky at the top of this section represents the ideas that are 'in the lead' when it comes to additions to OOTP6. They look cool, but they are mostly minor and cosmetic changes. It doesn't look like gameplay would really change much at all. The addition in this thread would create much more of an overall improvement to the game. Last edited by Paul31; 01-05-2004 at 12:46 PM.

01-16-2004, 07:59 PM	#13
Karros270 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,392	You can only add so many features a year. I'd rather have incremental steps done right than huge steps full of bugs. How many games that come out on a yearly basis make huge leaps forward every year? __________________ now everybody's praying...don't prey on me

12-31-2003, 09:19 PM	#2
CHCfan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Grand Island, NE Posts: 1,117	I personally love this idea and even mentioned myself for v.5. It would add so much to the game and I don't beleive it would be too hard too add. It's the type of thing that could be turned off to, you could just choose to play it as a owner/manager/GM, rather than just one. I'd really like to know if this has ever been considered as an addition. . . p.s.- Paul, do you happen to remember what the neame of the game was? It sounds like it could be fun to check out.

01-01-2004, 10:48 AM	#3
Paul31 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 56	CHC, I think the name of the game was Baseball Manager. It was a shareware game that was out at least 2 or 3 years before even Baseball Mogul began its run. It was an outstanding text-based game that was ahead of its time, if a little easy, and I'm really suprised that I'm the only one on these boards who has played it. The guy who wrote the games, Jeff Dolphin, had a whole lot of games that ran off the same engine.. Baseball Manager, college baseball, college and pro football, and so on. He wasn't even a programmer, he was an astronomy student or something. He could have made a lot of money off of those games if he had added some graphics and put out the word better. It's probably pretty hard to find now. I just tried searching for it looking for "Jeff Dolphin" + baseball and had no luck. If you do find it let me know.

01-04-2004, 04:53 PM	#5
Salihna_Al_Assad Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 26	I 100 % support paulc's idea and even remember posting a similar thinking not too long ago but no one pay attention. the kid named paulc makes some remarkable points to why this should be the way to go -this woud bring immense realism to the game and make it more challenging. - in real baseball, only a few managers gets to pick the players they want. let's make it more interesting by making you interact with another AI-GM if you're a manager or if you choose to be a GM then you will have a manager to supervise but will have an owner that will supervise your work . the only reason why we may never see something like that is because it'll be too much work involve in making it happen so these are pipe dreamz maybe we will see this in ootp28.

01-05-2004, 12:48 PM	#7
Paul31 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 56	And thanks for the link, Steve :-)

01-05-2004, 07:41 PM	#8
Salihna_Al_Assad Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 26	althout i might not agree with you saying the work wont be a load,but you and i share the same frustration. -im sick and tired of OOTP small baby steps that are made every year. same story year in year out, there's never been a year when this game made a giant leap, always these little steps. wake me up when OOTP40 hits the shelves because the way these guys are going forward with this franchise, i'll be 100 year old when they'll finnally get this game where it should be. OOTP6 was very hard for me to digest and i dont think i'll be going throught another year of little expectations as far as features and the game growth. i want to see big things happen, i want to see major media and players interaction, i want to see fans interaction. everything is so dead. it's like going throught the motion. this game should be at least where CMfranchise is.

01-06-2004, 03:41 PM	#10
Salihna_Al_Assad Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 26	"this smacks of idiocy???" To tell you the truth, i don't know how to approach or feed back your last post because im not sure whether you're trying to be funny or offensive. But, i'll feed you these few words, you can take it personal, i don't care. - im sick and tired of fan-boys like yourserf that refuse to let people like me give an opinion unless it's something positive about the company or the game that they support. this is ridiculous, i've seen these fan-boys go at it again and again. It's like a damn career now, seem like these guys have a special security force out there aim to silence any little bad critics. when i hear this guy say things like " better interface"," better prospect handling", "online support", as a giant leap, i just laught it off. But i respect that you and i see things differently, and it dont mean that neither of us is wrong, it's just that you the kind of person that is satisfied with 2 points when you play basketball and i always go for 3 pointers; or you always settle for short, screen passes when you play football whyle i always go for the long deep bomb. i see things big.

01-06-2004, 05:40 PM	#11
DiMaggio5CF All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 921	I do kind of have to agree that I was disappointed by OOTP5. It did have some very nice features, such as arbitration and minor league options and recordable minor league stats. But it didn't add enough to make a big difference. And there was something missing. I still can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but there is just something about OOTP5 that turned me off. I feel like I've wasted my money purchasing it. It sits on my computer while I play OOTP4 for hours and hours. And it has put some very serious doubts in my mind as to whether or not I should purchase version 6. I know that it is tough to make a game like this, and I appreciate all the hard work that Markus has put into it. But that doesn't change the fact that I didn't like version 5; and I'm certainly not going to throw my $35 out the window because Markus worked hard. I like some of the things that I've heard about version 6, but a whole, whole lot has to be added to the game before I'll consider buying it. Again, this is not a knock on OOTP. I love the series, and I still play OOTP4. But I can understand the comments, and I feel the same way.

01-15-2004, 08:01 AM	#12
Skywalker76 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 833	yeah I agree with you guys. I was also a little disappointed about OOTP 5. I think that the solo mode should be much more challenging in OOTP 6. I really like the idea of being a Minor League Manager before you get a job in the Majors.

01-18-2004, 08:59 AM	#14
graham5 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 38	I think it is important to do things a step at a time - OOTP5 was relatively bug free compared to similar games, and this must be largely attributable to the 'small step' approach. I thought OOTP5 was great - and I look forward to OOTP6! I also love the idea of being a minor league manager and proving yourself there before working up to the bigs, and the idea of just being the coach/GM/owner etc, BUT i think that each area would have to be expanded if this were to work - ie when you put all the areas together you have a great game (OOTP5), but if you were only restricted to one area would there be enough to do to hold your interest?