2003 Expos roster without stupid trades.

Long_Long_Name · 12-08-2003, 02:04 AM

In these times of great frustrations for an Expos fan, I'll remind myself of the roster the Expos could've had if they had not made some trades. Here it goes.

Pitchers:
Pedro Martinez
Randy Johnson
Bartolo Colon
Javier Vazquez
Kirk Rueter
Miguel Batista
Dustin Hermanson
Ugueth Urbina
Ted Lilly
Steve Kline
Scott Strickland

Starting Lineup:
Brian Schneider
Cliff Floyd
Jose Vidro
Orlando Cabrera
Jamey Carroll (yeah, I know...)
Moises Alou
Larry Walker
Vladimir Guerrero

Bench:
Wilfredo Cordero
Marquis Grissom
Rondell White
Mark Grudzielanek
Brad Fullmer
Brad Wilkerson

Anyway, slightly above average rotation.

Kelric · 12-08-2003, 02:33 AM

Do you really expect them to have kept all of those players for the last nine years from the '94 team? Besides, if they had kept some of them they may not have drafted Vazquez, would definitely not have traded for Colon, Lilly wouldn't be there now would a few other guys. That's ridiculous to expect them to have that club.

Skipaway · 12-08-2003, 02:36 AM

They got Dustin Hermanson by trading away Cliff Floyd.
Ted Lilly and Mark Grudzielanek were in the same trade too.

Long_Long_Name · 12-08-2003, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by Skipaway
They got Dustin Hermanson by trading away Cliff Floyd.
Ted Lilly and Mark Grudzielanek were in the same trade too.

1) They did acquire him back in 2002 for Pavano, Lloyd, Wayne and some other junk.

2) You are right. I tried to avoid these mistakes, but one slipped by. Thanks for the correction.

atarizx3 · 12-08-2003, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by Long_Long_Name
Anyway, slightly above average rotation.

Slightly above average payroll too....

It's always real cute to wonder what if.

Couldn't we all write a sob story like this about our favorite team, with a few exceptions of course?

LivnLegend · 12-08-2003, 01:37 PM

Ludicrous assumption.

I could do the same with the Dodgers and it would be a much better team (in my opinion) and LA would have Pedro, not Montreal.

Kelric · 12-08-2003, 01:40 PM

I could always go back to the '94 strike and the fact that the Red Sox had Sammy Sosa and John Wetteland under contract for '95 and beyond before MLB nixed the deals.

ill16ca · 12-08-2003, 01:42 PM

I think it's funny that people are taking this so seriously. All LLN is trying to do is point out that Montreal wouldn't be a team in shambles if they hadn't made so many bad trades.

matskralc · 12-08-2003, 01:49 PM

The Pirates get to keep the Greatest Player in the Game (That's Barry Bonds, not Orlando Merced, for those of you who are a little

), Shafted Out Of A Cy Young Award Jason Schmidt, Old Faithful Tim Wakefield, One Year Wonders Jon Lieber and Esteban Loaiza, Woefully Inconsistent Aramis Ramirez...and, uh, that's about it.

But if we count guys who came through in trades, we get What The Hell Ever Happened To Him: Denny Neagle, Underrated But There's A Reason For That: Joe Randa, and The Only Good Thing Cam Bonifay Ever Did: Brain Giles.

Wow. The Pirates weren't even that great at producing talent for OTHER teams!

LivnLegend · 12-08-2003, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by ill16ca
I think it's funny that people are taking this so seriously. All LLN is trying to do is point out that Montreal wouldn't be a team in shambles if they hadn't made so many bad trades.

I wonder who it is you assume is taking this seriously. I for one never take anything LLN posts seriously.
I think the point is just about any fan of any baseball team can make a dream team filled with players traded away or lost to free agency over the years. If the Expos had not made some of those trades, they would have lost some to free agency anyway. It would be nice if the Expos had kept some of their talent longer than they did but the team operated under tight fiscal requirements, which was largely a result of fan disinterest (or at the least, indifference).

ill16ca · 12-08-2003, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by Kelric
Do you really expect them to have kept all of those players for the last nine years from the '94 team? Besides, if they had kept some of them they may not have drafted Vazquez, would definitely not have traded for Colon, Lilly wouldn't be there now would a few other guys. That's ridiculous to expect them to have that club.

This one.

Long_Long_Name · 12-08-2003, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by LivnLegend
I for one never take anything LLN posts seriously.

Don't worry, it's very often reciprocal.

My initial sentence in this thread was meant to indicate that this post was meant to express my frustration. I'm a very lunatic person, but I sometimes understand reality. I understand that it's not realistic.

Hammer755 · 12-08-2003, 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by matskralc
Shafted Out Of A Cy Young Award Jason Schmidt,

But if we count guys who came through in trades, we get What The Hell Ever Happened To Him: Denny Neagle, Underrated But There's A Reason For That:

Actually, neither were developed by Pittsburgh. Neagle came over from Minnesota, and Schmidt was acquired from Atlanta in a trade for Neagle in '96.

matskralc · 12-08-2003, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by Hammer755
Actually, neither were developed by Pittsburgh. Neagle came over from Minnesota, and Schmidt was acquired from Atlanta in a trade for Neagle in '96.

Yeah, I forgot that about Schmidt. And like I said, I qualified Neagle by saying "if we count guys who came through in trades".

Skipaway · 12-08-2003, 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by matskralc
Yeah, I forgot that About Schmidt.

I didn't see it. Was it good?

Skipaway · 12-09-2003, 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by LivnLegend
I I think the point is just about any fan of any baseball team can make a dream team filled with players traded away or lost to free agency over the years.

You inspired me to try it with the Brewers. I'm having a very difficult time finding starting pitchers. Jeff D'Amico got only ONE good season. Ben Sheets was never above league average. Perhaps Hideo Nomo was the only feasible choice.

Crapshoot · 12-10-2003, 05:08 AM

Ya- I have dreams about what would have happened had Clark stayed..

12-08-2003, 02:04 AM	#1
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	2003 Expos roster without stupid trades. In these times of great frustrations for an Expos fan, I'll remind myself of the roster the Expos could've had if they had not made some trades. Here it goes. Pitchers: Pedro Martinez Randy Johnson Bartolo Colon Javier Vazquez Kirk Rueter Miguel Batista Dustin Hermanson Ugueth Urbina Ted Lilly Steve Kline Scott Strickland Starting Lineup: Brian Schneider Cliff Floyd Jose Vidro Orlando Cabrera Jamey Carroll (yeah, I know...) Moises Alou Larry Walker Vladimir Guerrero Bench: Wilfredo Cordero Marquis Grissom Rondell White Mark Grudzielanek Brad Fullmer Brad Wilkerson Anyway, slightly above average rotation. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it! Last edited by Long_Long_Name; 12-08-2003 at 02:12 AM.

12-08-2003, 02:36 AM	#3
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	They got Dustin Hermanson by trading away Cliff Floyd. Ted Lilly and Mark Grudzielanek were in the same trade too. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

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LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	Ludicrous assumption. I could do the same with the Dodgers and it would be a much better team (in my opinion) and LA would have Pedro, not Montreal. __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

12-08-2003, 01:49 PM	#9
matskralc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,076	The Pirates get to keep the Greatest Player in the Game (That's Barry Bonds, not Orlando Merced, for those of you who are a little ), Shafted Out Of A Cy Young Award Jason Schmidt, Old Faithful Tim Wakefield, One Year Wonders Jon Lieber and Esteban Loaiza, Woefully Inconsistent Aramis Ramirez...and, uh, that's about it. But if we count guys who came through in trades, we get What The Hell Ever Happened To Him: Denny Neagle, Underrated But There's A Reason For That: Joe Randa, and The Only Good Thing Cam Bonifay Ever Did: Brain Giles. Wow. The Pirates weren't even that great at producing talent for OTHER teams! __________________ Well, they have a saying here in Texas ... but they probably don't have it in California, so never mind. OTBL - Pennsylvania Fightin' Amish ABC - Pittsburgh Puma OCHO - Pittsburgh Pirates EBU - Commissioner

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Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	Ya- I have dreams about what would have happened had Clark stayed.. __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

12-08-2003, 02:33 AM	#2
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	Do you really expect them to have kept all of those players for the last nine years from the '94 team? Besides, if they had kept some of them they may not have drafted Vazquez, would definitely not have traded for Colon, Lilly wouldn't be there now would a few other guys. That's ridiculous to expect them to have that club.

12-08-2003, 01:40 PM	#7
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	I could always go back to the '94 strike and the fact that the Red Sox had Sammy Sosa and John Wetteland under contract for '95 and beyond before MLB nixed the deals.

12-08-2003, 01:42 PM	#8
ill16ca All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 690	I think it's funny that people are taking this so seriously. All LLN is trying to do is point out that Montreal wouldn't be a team in shambles if they hadn't made so many bad trades.