Hall of Fame Standard (Cato History utility)

koohead · 12-01-2003, 10:48 PM

So I've finally got a few years of my fictional league compiled into the Cato History utility, and now I've got a few questions.

First of all, what significance is the HOF standard? More specifically, at one number should I induct a player? Does it take into consideration number of years played? Is it just comparing the players to their contemporaries?

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!

Markmeister · 12-01-2003, 11:20 PM

The standard just rates players according to their career stats. See this link to baseball-reference for a further explaination - here

Since an average MLB Hall of Famer has around a 50 rating, I would consider inducting any player that has 50 or over when they retire. The standard is just a start however - people also like to use other factors including the gray ink/black ink standards, etc.

koohead · 12-01-2003, 11:41 PM

Duh..guess I should learn to read.
So...I guess a 50 or above should be one of those automatic bids to the Hall for my fictional league...while lower scores would depend on other ratings such as the gray/black standards?

Just wondering what other people have done with this.

Thanks for the quick response Mark!

BaseballMan · 12-02-2003, 12:01 AM

Well i evaluate the top 5 in hall standards, grey ink and winshares ratings pus i give bonus points for awards, allstar appearances etc.
Might be a little more work but i find it more enjoyable between seasons instead of just rushing to the next season.
But i only elect a batter and a pitcher for the first 20 years and then rotate between pitcher or batter. I was going to alternate between position but i didnt want a average reliever
getting in over a great hitter.

A player must have played 10 years and wait 5 after retirement.
So a player could barely miss the hall and the next year he might get in or drop further down. He may get in in 20, 30 , 50 years or never.

koohead · 12-02-2003, 01:05 AM

I like that played a min of 10 years stipulation...I'll have to incorporate it.
One question on your system: sounds to me that if a player doesn't make it the first or 2nd year he is eligible, he'll never get in, since he can only go down in the rankings, right?

BaseballMan · 12-02-2003, 02:03 AM

not nessarily, he could move up

Lets say Joe Jackson is number 3 after 3rd year of elgibility.
In the next 2 years no player that becomes elgible for hall passes his total points so he gets in.
Remember the 5 year waiting period and you probably wont see 20 players that become eligble better than the the top 10. Maybe a few.
I could change the 3rd player that is alternated between pitcher and hitter each year to the oldtimer selection.Maybe electing only a player from say a 20 or 30 years past.

Besides if he cant top the players before him or after him does he really deserve to get in.

I may make a 15 year egibility and then add him to the old timers election.

Not perfect but picking hall of famers should be enjoyable.
For me its fun to see who gets in and not knw for sure.
That extra award or all-star game might be the deciding factor.
Where with me picking them it would be too easy to go with the real thing like ruth, cobb, etc.

Of course with fictional league its a little easier to have unpersuaded judgement.

koohead · 12-02-2003, 02:24 PM

ah..I get it. Thanks!

12-01-2003, 10:48 PM	#1
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,230	Hall of Fame Standard (Cato History utility) So I've finally got a few years of my fictional league compiled into the Cato History utility, and now I've got a few questions. First of all, what significance is the HOF standard? More specifically, at one number should I induct a player? Does it take into consideration number of years played? Is it just comparing the players to their contemporaries? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

12-01-2003, 11:41 PM	#3
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,230	Duh..guess I should learn to read. So...I guess a 50 or above should be one of those automatic bids to the Hall for my fictional league...while lower scores would depend on other ratings such as the gray/black standards? Just wondering what other people have done with this. Thanks for the quick response Mark! __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

12-02-2003, 01:05 AM	#5
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,230	I like that played a min of 10 years stipulation...I'll have to incorporate it. One question on your system: sounds to me that if a player doesn't make it the first or 2nd year he is eligible, he'll never get in, since he can only go down in the rankings, right? __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

12-02-2003, 02:03 AM	#6
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,641	not nessarily, he could move up Lets say Joe Jackson is number 3 after 3rd year of elgibility. In the next 2 years no player that becomes elgible for hall passes his total points so he gets in. Remember the 5 year waiting period and you probably wont see 20 players that become eligble better than the the top 10. Maybe a few. I could change the 3rd player that is alternated between pitcher and hitter each year to the oldtimer selection.Maybe electing only a player from say a 20 or 30 years past. Besides if he cant top the players before him or after him does he really deserve to get in. I may make a 15 year egibility and then add him to the old timers election. Not perfect but picking hall of famers should be enjoyable. For me its fun to see who gets in and not knw for sure. That extra award or all-star game might be the deciding factor. Where with me picking them it would be too easy to go with the real thing like ruth, cobb, etc. Of course with fictional league its a little easier to have unpersuaded judgement. Last edited by BaseballMan; 12-02-2003 at 09:07 PM.

12-02-2003, 02:24 PM	#7
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,230	ah..I get it. Thanks! __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

12-01-2003, 11:20 PM	#2
Markmeister Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 463	The standard just rates players according to their career stats. See this link to baseball-reference for a further explaination - here Since an average MLB Hall of Famer has around a 50 rating, I would consider inducting any player that has 50 or over when they retire. The standard is just a start however - people also like to use other factors including the gray ink/black ink standards, etc.

12-02-2003, 12:01 AM	#4
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,641	Well i evaluate the top 5 in hall standards, grey ink and winshares ratings pus i give bonus points for awards, allstar appearances etc. Might be a little more work but i find it more enjoyable between seasons instead of just rushing to the next season. But i only elect a batter and a pitcher for the first 20 years and then rotate between pitcher or batter. I was going to alternate between position but i didnt want a average reliever getting in over a great hitter. A player must have played 10 years and wait 5 after retirement. So a player could barely miss the hall and the next year he might get in or drop further down. He may get in in 20, 30 , 50 years or never.