How much is the WS worth too you?

skkrrt · 11-10-2003, 08:28 PM

Im in a situation, I have a team that is loaded and has only 2 teams of compeition (playoffs only) that can really pose a threat. I have the oppurtunity to make a trade that would send me an awesome IF at the 1 position I could actually use, but I would have to give 3 of my top 10 specs and 2 of my top 5....

The player is young though...so its more like just 2 of my top 5.

Money is not an issue in the deal really.....

Im not asking if I should do it, but how much do you value winning a title. Do you think selling your future for that 1 title is worth it? Im not saying pull a '97 Marlins but trading top specs to get over the top, even if you give up more hten you probabally should but will

Skipaway · 11-10-2003, 08:42 PM

I'm not sure what the exact situation you are in right now, or how good your prospects are, but playoffs are too much about luck. The key is to get into it and wish for the best. Getting some help for the final push into the playoffs might be a good idea, but it's probably not worth it sacrificing the future if the team already can secure a playoff spot.

Karen Lutz · 11-10-2003, 08:42 PM

of course it's worth it, the whole point is to win, to me. Doesn't matter what the future holds if you can win now. That's just an opinion.

twins15 · 11-10-2003, 08:46 PM

Could you give the ratings and talent of the players involved, also the stats of the guy who would lose his starting spot if you made the trade? But right now, I am leaning toward Skipaway.

clarnzz · 11-10-2003, 08:53 PM

I would suggest targeting another ace quality pitcher if your really looking for the series. While going with an abundance of offense can usually get you in the playoffs and then can hope for the crapshoot to fall your way, the teams with the best pitching usually seem to go the deepest in the playoffs (there are always exceptions).

But as Skipaway said, if your in, your in and I wouldn't go too wild thinking one position player is going to make the differance in the end. Id take a close look at the other probable playoff teams and see if there is a general weakness among them and then get players to exploit those weaknesses, lots of righty pitchers who struggle vs lefty bats, lots of lefty pitchers who struggle vs. righty bats, lefthanded batter dominated lineups, righthanded batter dominated lineups are some, then try to set up your team to exploit them. If you don't see a glaring weakness among them you can make a move to exploit, i'd concentrate on improving my top 4 starting pitchers.

satchel · 11-10-2003, 09:12 PM

There is only one goal: winning the Championship.

Rockpile · 11-10-2003, 09:25 PM

I agree that winning is important, but the playoffs really are all about luck. This has been proven time and time again. I have won because of luck and lost because of luck as have most GMs who get to the playoffs in online leagues.

I try to keep the strength of my organization in mind at all times.

neef · 11-10-2003, 09:28 PM

One team to keep in mind: The Buffalo Bills. Carpe Diem.

skkrrt · 11-10-2003, 09:48 PM

If your really intresed, I have 3 solid "aces" already (all 8+ ERA)... the upgrade would be at second base and its more of a huge defensive upgrade (from E to D) but also a small offensive one...

The specs are pretty good (but I think 1 is a bust, 24 yr CL with only 2 in ERA)

clarnzz · 11-10-2003, 10:13 PM

Well, if you have the starting pitching your in good shape, although an E to a D doesn't seem like much of a defensive upgrade, espcially if its only a "small" offensive upgrade.

How's your bullpen?

Cyclone792 · 11-10-2003, 10:18 PM

My philosophy is the same philosophy as Billy Beane's: Build a team to make it the playoffs as often as possible, but once there, it's more about luck than anything else. The best bet is to build the organization that remains solid for a number of seasons rather than risking everything for one season. If you can make it four, five, six seasons into the playoffs, then I'd say your chances of coming out with a championship in one of them is pretty good.

skkrrt · 11-10-2003, 10:45 PM

Oops thats supposed to read E to C

clarnzz · 11-10-2003, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by skkrrt
Oops thats supposed to read E to C

At 2b I would think you would be better off finding a great defender with a lesser or equal bat, than just modestly improving both bat and defense.

beavers10 · 11-11-2003, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by satchel
There is only one goal: winning the Championship.

True.

11-10-2003, 08:28 PM	#1
skkrrt Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 410	How much is the WS worth too you? Im in a situation, I have a team that is loaded and has only 2 teams of compeition (playoffs only) that can really pose a threat. I have the oppurtunity to make a trade that would send me an awesome IF at the 1 position I could actually use, but I would have to give 3 of my top 10 specs and 2 of my top 5.... The player is young though...so its more like just 2 of my top 5. Money is not an issue in the deal really..... Im not asking if I should do it, but how much do you value winning a title. Do you think selling your future for that 1 title is worth it? Im not saying pull a '97 Marlins but trading top specs to get over the top, even if you give up more hten you probabally should but will

11-10-2003, 08:42 PM	#2
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	I'm not sure what the exact situation you are in right now, or how good your prospects are, but playoffs are too much about luck. The key is to get into it and wish for the best. Getting some help for the final push into the playoffs might be a good idea, but it's probably not worth it sacrificing the future if the team already can secure a playoff spot. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

11-10-2003, 08:46 PM	#4
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	Could you give the ratings and talent of the players involved, also the stats of the guy who would lose his starting spot if you made the trade? But right now, I am leaning toward Skipaway. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

11-10-2003, 09:12 PM	#6
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	There is only one goal: winning the Championship. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59

11-10-2003, 09:28 PM	#8
neef Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 41	One team to keep in mind: The Buffalo Bills. Carpe Diem. Last edited by neef; 11-10-2003 at 09:34 PM.

11-10-2003, 08:42 PM	#3
Karen Lutz Ball Breaker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada OOTPChampionships: 5 Posts: 898	of course it's worth it, the whole point is to win, to me. Doesn't matter what the future holds if you can win now. That's just an opinion.

11-10-2003, 08:53 PM	#5
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	I would suggest targeting another ace quality pitcher if your really looking for the series. While going with an abundance of offense can usually get you in the playoffs and then can hope for the crapshoot to fall your way, the teams with the best pitching usually seem to go the deepest in the playoffs (there are always exceptions). But as Skipaway said, if your in, your in and I wouldn't go too wild thinking one position player is going to make the differance in the end. Id take a close look at the other probable playoff teams and see if there is a general weakness among them and then get players to exploit those weaknesses, lots of righty pitchers who struggle vs lefty bats, lots of lefty pitchers who struggle vs. righty bats, lefthanded batter dominated lineups, righthanded batter dominated lineups are some, then try to set up your team to exploit them. If you don't see a glaring weakness among them you can make a move to exploit, i'd concentrate on improving my top 4 starting pitchers.

11-10-2003, 09:25 PM	#7
Rockpile All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 620	I agree that winning is important, but the playoffs really are all about luck. This has been proven time and time again. I have won because of luck and lost because of luck as have most GMs who get to the playoffs in online leagues. I try to keep the strength of my organization in mind at all times.

11-10-2003, 09:48 PM	#9
skkrrt Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 410	If your really intresed, I have 3 solid "aces" already (all 8+ ERA)... the upgrade would be at second base and its more of a huge defensive upgrade (from E to D) but also a small offensive one... The specs are pretty good (but I think 1 is a bust, 24 yr CL with only 2 in ERA) __________________ Tiger of the Week: Nate Robertson-3rd in the AL in strikeouts (24).

11-10-2003, 10:13 PM	#10
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	Well, if you have the starting pitching your in good shape, although an E to a D doesn't seem like much of a defensive upgrade, espcially if its only a "small" offensive upgrade. How's your bullpen?

11-10-2003, 10:18 PM	#11
Cyclone792 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 572	My philosophy is the same philosophy as Billy Beane's: Build a team to make it the playoffs as often as possible, but once there, it's more about luck than anything else. The best bet is to build the organization that remains solid for a number of seasons rather than risking everything for one season. If you can make it four, five, six seasons into the playoffs, then I'd say your chances of coming out with a championship in one of them is pretty good. __________________ Jason POTD: Co-Commish and Glacier Bay Ice Pirates

11-10-2003, 10:45 PM	#12
skkrrt Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 410	Oops thats supposed to read E to C __________________ Tiger of the Week: Nate Robertson-3rd in the AL in strikeouts (24).