Simming ahead in an online league.

Applecorey · 10-19-2003, 10:02 PM

Do you sim ahead in online leagues?

Is it ethical?

rem · 10-19-2003, 10:08 PM

I would not and if you do you should be banned from running a league

Applecorey · 10-19-2003, 10:11 PM

Why is it wrong? Isn't it kind of like scouting?

azkyote84 · 10-19-2003, 10:13 PM

Even though the results are never the same with 2 seperate sims, tendencies do occur. I feel that simming ahead a form of cheating.

rem · 10-19-2003, 10:26 PM

It's an unfair adavantage.

Futhermore, some commishs have been caught simming and then resimming if the results don't meet there liking. When you sim ahead it leaves tell-tell signs which could result in you being accused of cheating.

Applecorey · 10-19-2003, 10:32 PM

I'm not talking about commishes. Owners/GM's.

Jestre · 10-19-2003, 10:54 PM

I really don't understand the point of simming ahead.... The results vary so much and the player development will be so different it really seems unnecessary... I really don't give a rats posterior if owners in my league run sims with the league file... I also have never run sims in the league I dont commish, just a waste of time... but if owners want to so what...

Big Willis 16 · 10-19-2003, 11:06 PM

If it's an owner/gm, it shouldn't be considered cheating because its there, and the game offers it to you.

Should you feel down on yourself for doing it, yes.

CommishJoe · 10-19-2003, 11:12 PM

I don't do it, but I don't see anything wrong with it. The outcome varies greatly(thanks to injuries, other GMs changing lineups/rotations, trades, player development differences, etc) and I don't see any advantage to doing it.

I dont have any issues with any of my GMs simming ahead (and I dont have the foggiest idea if any of them do).

Kurtis R. · 10-19-2003, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Big Willis 16
If it's an owner/gm, it shouldn't be considered cheating because its there, and the game offers it to you.

Should you feel down on yourself for doing it, yes.

It is not offered to you if the league password is on.

Kurtis

CommishJoe · 10-19-2003, 11:16 PM

It's password protected now? Shows you how much I sim

Kurtis R. · 10-19-2003, 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by CommishJoe
It's password protected now? Shows you how much I sim

Yes it is Joe.

Kurtis

gpm22 · 10-19-2003, 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by Big Willis 16
If it's an owner/gm, it shouldn't be considered cheating because its there, and the game offers it to you.

Should you feel down on yourself for doing it, yes.

Its just another way to manipulate OOTP. I, like most other commishes, use the password in my league. I am glad that it prevents simming unlike previous versions. I had owners that even told me they simmed ahead a few times. It didn't make me very happy.

This is the same as the contract extensions. Without using the password, owners would keep unzipping the file until they could get players to sign for the minimum they would accept. Did the game allow it? Yes. Is it right? Absolutely not. It takes no skill and there is no negotiation.

paulywerner · 10-20-2003, 12:32 AM

I only sim ahead in AOBL when running tests, for instance for the post season, i exploited the matchups to reflect MLB Rules... I think this is the only time simming off of the regular league file is appropriate, because thats how to test editing issues such as scheduling, ect... But at no time should simming ahead be done for viewing developement, fan effectiveness, or financial evaluating... This is when it would be wrong, but I make defunct copies of the league file if I need to run a test... Another example of testing would be to view occurances after updating with a newly released patch.... But like previously stated, only commishes have access to sim when the league password is enabled, and by no means does an owner/GM have any need to do so...

You ask why, isnt it like scouting... Since when do scouts have time machines to view developement, I mean, do you think scouts would have given Todd Van Popple and second look if they knew the possibilities that actually occured, or what about Pat Kelly??? I dont honestly think that simming ahead would be a form of scouting.

by the way, i voted no

rem · 10-20-2003, 07:03 PM

I wasnt aware that you ment simming ahead as a GM.

Cuss16 · 10-20-2003, 09:22 PM

I voted "wrong".

Cliche · 10-21-2003, 02:41 AM

i did it by accident in spring training once in WTS (when I was new to OOTP), but wouldn't do it again.. I agree that it is an unfair advantage.

View Poll Results: Is it ethical to sim ahead in online leagues?
Simming ahead is wrong.	30	81.08%
Simming ahead is fine.	7	18.92%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

10-19-2003, 10:02 PM	#1
Applecorey Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 307	Simming ahead in an online league. Do you sim ahead in online leagues? Is it ethical? __________________ www.boardgamegeek.com

10-19-2003, 10:08 PM	#2
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	I would not and if you do you should be banned from running a league __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

10-19-2003, 10:11 PM	#3
Applecorey Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 307	Why is it wrong? Isn't it kind of like scouting? __________________ www.boardgamegeek.com

10-19-2003, 10:13 PM	#4
azkyote84 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fosston, MN Posts: 328	Even though the results are never the same with 2 seperate sims, tendencies do occur. I feel that simming ahead a form of cheating. __________________ Andy - Future Author of: "Kyote Capenomics and You" Baseball Union Boston Resolute - 1907, 1908, 1909 Union Champions! Looking for 4! ABL Old - School 1999 NL Expansion Franchise

10-19-2003, 10:26 PM	#5
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	It's an unfair adavantage. Futhermore, some commishs have been caught simming and then resimming if the results don't meet there liking. When you sim ahead it leaves tell-tell signs which could result in you being accused of cheating. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

10-19-2003, 10:32 PM	#6
Applecorey Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 307	I'm not talking about commishes. Owners/GM's. __________________ www.boardgamegeek.com

10-19-2003, 10:54 PM	#7
Jestre All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North Smithfield,Ri,USA Posts: 612	I really don't understand the point of simming ahead.... The results vary so much and the player development will be so different it really seems unnecessary... I really don't give a rats posterior if owners in my league run sims with the league file... I also have never run sims in the league I dont commish, just a waste of time... but if owners want to so what... __________________ My eyes perceive the present, but my roots are imbedded deeply in the grandeur of the past. "Chief Meyers"

10-19-2003, 11:06 PM	#8
Big Willis 16 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,616	If it's an owner/gm, it shouldn't be considered cheating because its there, and the game offers it to you. Should you feel down on yourself for doing it, yes. __________________ A wise man once said "shutup and drink your beer!"

10-19-2003, 11:12 PM	#9
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	I don't do it, but I don't see anything wrong with it. The outcome varies greatly(thanks to injuries, other GMs changing lineups/rotations, trades, player development differences, etc) and I don't see any advantage to doing it. I dont have any issues with any of my GMs simming ahead (and I dont have the foggiest idea if any of them do). __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

10-19-2003, 11:16 PM	#11
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	It's password protected now? Shows you how much I sim __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

10-20-2003, 12:32 AM	#14
paulywerner Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 319	I only sim ahead in AOBL when running tests, for instance for the post season, i exploited the matchups to reflect MLB Rules... I think this is the only time simming off of the regular league file is appropriate, because thats how to test editing issues such as scheduling, ect... But at no time should simming ahead be done for viewing developement, fan effectiveness, or financial evaluating... This is when it would be wrong, but I make defunct copies of the league file if I need to run a test... Another example of testing would be to view occurances after updating with a newly released patch.... But like previously stated, only commishes have access to sim when the league password is enabled, and by no means does an owner/GM have any need to do so... You ask why, isnt it like scouting... Since when do scouts have time machines to view developement, I mean, do you think scouts would have given Todd Van Popple and second look if they knew the possibilities that actually occured, or what about Pat Kelly??? I dont honestly think that simming ahead would be a form of scouting. by the way, i voted no __________________ "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." OTBA Manhattan Millionaires The Juiced Baseball League Kansas City Royals United Baseball League Montreal Expos Bricks and Ivy Washington Nationals

10-20-2003, 07:03 PM	#15
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	I wasnt aware that you ment simming ahead as a GM. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

10-20-2003, 09:22 PM	#16
Cuss16 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: BC, CANADA Posts: 2,994	I voted "wrong". __________________

10-21-2003, 02:41 AM	#17
Cliche Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 210	i did it by accident in spring training once in WTS (when I was new to OOTP), but wouldn't do it again.. I agree that it is an unfair advantage. __________________ GUBA - Bogota Toros