Activity Reward Systems in Online Leagues???

paulywerner · 10-20-2003, 02:11 PM

Ok, I currently am the commissioner for the AOBL.. I am also in another league that has a points based system on activity for owners, meaning if you do etc.etc. ... you get small improvements after awhile. Note, this is something that accumulates quickly, it is intended for the owners who are consistantly active. My feelings are to reward those, other than myself, for the time and effort they put into the league. Now, I have an issue where my partner thinks this is penalizing the owners who are unable to be as active... Sort of the glass is half empty outlook on this.... Granted, this would take at least one full season from a very active owner to even obtain anything with the points he accumulates.

Apparently, he has an issue with editing anything that has to do with player abilities or fan loyalty, and I can see the point.. Im sure he will reply when he sees this, but Im trying to give details for both arguments here. I can see the argument, considering this is tooling with the game, which alot of people think is wrong...
I personally dont think its tooling with the game, and gives opportunity to improve ones team

the link for our rulebook is here.. AOBL Rules
Please view section 12 in the rulebook, and leave some feedback...

Thanks

jaxmagicman · 10-20-2003, 02:16 PM

Were the rules in place before the people joined the league?

Enkiel · 10-20-2003, 02:16 PM

can't see why it is a problem... and after ready through the rule, i think it is pretty interesting....

i've always believed that if you cant be active, you shouldn't play online....

but there is one thing that not everyone is able to do... its the article thing..... some people think its stupid, some other just dont have the imagination to write that....

but rest is good

sporr · 10-20-2003, 02:26 PM

I think it's nice to reward participation in a league as long as the reward doesn't give too big of an advantage to those teams.

paulywerner · 10-20-2003, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by jaxmagicman
Where the rules in place before the people joined the league?

No, this is a new addition set to start prior to our 2006 season...

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but there is one thing that not everyone is able to do... its the article thing..... some people think its stupid, some other just dont have the imagination to write that....

This is true, but with the point accumulation it would take quite a bit of time to get even the most lucrative awards...

The way I look at it is, if you dont want to, you arent losing anything, but I think if you do, you should be rewarded for your efforts to the league...

Im trying to keep the activity level high, and this season saw the biggest turnover rate of our existance, and had to replace 3 owners, though 2 of them was due to time contraints... I want to make sure people enjoy the league, and want to add their abilities to the way the league proceeds... If people arent enjoying it, then I'm wasting my time

jaxmagicman · 10-20-2003, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by paulywerner
No, this is a new addition set to start prior to our 2006 season...

Did your league vote to approve it? The reason I ask is because if the rule was in place before the people joined than there should be no question if it is right or not because the people knew before they joined. If the issue was voted on and approved by the league, than nobody can complain because there was a vote and it passed. If it were something you just decided to do, the right thing to do is give people a chance to get out of your league if they don't like the change without harsh feelings between either side. You tell them it is a decision made to make the league better and that if there is any objection to the change than you are welcome to leave. Tell them you will not bad mouth them to other commishes and you will even vouch for them if they want to join another league. My guess is nobody will leave, because they have spent the time building up their teams. So the reason you do this, is later down the road, nobody can complain that you have been unfair to them.

paulywerner · 10-20-2003, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by sporr
I think it's nice to reward participation in a league as long as the reward doesn't give too big of an advantage to those teams.

I set it up with the opportunity to improve, but nothing so drastic that it puts other owners who only export there teams on time, any disadvantage. The penalties policy is very important, because i think in real life, if an owner neglects his team, the players are still there to perform the way their ability allows them to, but fan interest would decline

azkyote84 · 10-20-2003, 02:34 PM

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Now, I have an issue where my partner thinks this is penalizing the owners who are unable to be as active... Sort of the glass is half empty outlook on this....

:wave:

It's not that I don't want everyone to be as active as possible. I just feel that any reward that tampers with the game is not good, in whatever respect.

For instance:

Is it my fault that I can not attend the live sims which don't fit into my schedule?

Is it my fault that I do not enjoy writing articles about a fake game?

Things such as these should not have an impact on the game itself in my opinion. I feel that people should be rewarded for going above and beyond, and for things like the consecutive exports. However, I do not believe that these rewards should impact Fan Loyalties or the players themselves.

azkyote84 · 10-20-2003, 02:35 PM

For the record I love the penalties

paulywerner · 10-20-2003, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by jaxmagicman
Did your league vote to approve it? The reason I ask is because if the rule was in place before the people joined than there should be no question if it is right or not because the people knew before they joined. If the issue was voted on and approved by the league, than nobody can complain because there was a vote and it passed. If it were something you just decided to do, the right thing to do is give people a chance to get out of your league if they don't like the change without harsh feelings between either side. You tell them it is a decision made to make the league better and that if there is any objection to the change than you are welcome to leave. Tell them you will not bad mouth them to other commishes and you will even vouch for them if they want to join another league. My guess is nobody will leave, because they have spent the time building up their teams. So the reason you do this, is later down the road, nobody can complain that you have been unfair to them.

This is an activity program only... its not like starting a league, then saying half way throughthe first season, (after the trade deadline), we're going to expand...

... I dont think it is something that should be voted on, but I have always been open to ideas, feeling, or critism regarding any decisions I make in the league... If this had something to do with the overall structure of the league, or even a rule change about salary cap flunctuation, or financial restructuring, then a vote would be warranted... At no time have I ever critisized or laid blame on an owner, and I never will... This is a free sim league for those who enjoy it, but I expect the owners to do their part, and anything extra should warrant a small reward. I actually took a couple of the rewards from another league i am an owner in, using that as an example for the AOBL rewards... I personally like the opportunity to bring in the scouting ability and find a phenom in a foreign country, but it would take the activity level of a commish 2 plus seasons to warrant this, and even then, this player would barely be a top 50 prospect do to the ability allotment. Hell, if anyone is at a disadvantage, it is me, i dont receive points for the sim attendance or consecutive exports, I personally dont do the stories in the forum, because I put the articles on the front page of the website, and I wouldnt receive credit for those.

Im just wondering if I'm wrong with my thinking here, and if maybe there is something too lucrative in the rewards for turning in allocated points

jaxmagicman · 10-20-2003, 02:54 PM

Well, I see both sides. When you start changing talents and adding fan support you take away from the other teams that do not have the ability to write articles and stay as active as you like. That is why you should put something like this up for a vote. It will pass and then you will have no problem. You can say, we voted on this. I can see your side as well, you want to reward the GM's that stay interested in the league. Good for you. But trust me, somebody will think you are cheating them and there will be a post about it here or on your website. This best thing to do is nip in the bud now. Put it to a vote, let the GM's that are active all the time decide (remember it helps them) and if somebody says down the road you are cheating them. Bring out the fact that you voted on it as a league. I like your idea. I was just trying to help you down the road.

paulywerner · 10-20-2003, 03:04 PM

I have put things like this to a vote, and it starts board brawls... In one of these posts about cheaters, If someone wants to accuse me of cheating, and can prove it, I will banish myself from the boards anyways. At no time is this intended to expoloit any edtiing abilities within the game...

AZKyote has a point, and him being the co-founder in the AOBL, I listen to him, but once again, if this was something that gave certain owners the ability to have such a drastic advantage in any one area, I wouldnt even think of it. But this is something that gets dragged out, and one thing about this, if any owner loses points because of the penalties policy, then leaves the league, I will replace said points when new ownership takes over... Sort of like the Marlins... fans got irritated with ownership, stopped supporting the team, then once new ownership cam in, and improved the team, fan interest increased to where it previously was in 97.. this would just be a little bit faster...lol

I plan to hold an owners meeting, and will listen to ideas, and voices from them regarding this, but, as a whole, wanted to get an idea of how many leagues actually have this in place..

jaxmagicman · 10-20-2003, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by azkyote84
:wave:

It's not that I don't want everyone to be as active as possible. I just feel that any reward that tampers with the game is not good, in whatever respect.

For instance:

Is it my fault that I can not attend the live sims which don't fit into my schedule?

Is it my fault that I do not enjoy writing articles about a fake game?

Things such as these should not have an impact on the game itself in my opinion. I feel that people should be rewarded for going above and beyond, and for things like the consecutive exports. However, I do not believe that these rewards should impact Fan Loyalties or the players themselves.

If he has a problem doing this, I am sure someone else in your league might have a problem with you doing this.

Just for the Record. I love the Idea. I wish my commishes did it. I was just looking out for you trying to use both sides.

Cowboys3356 · 10-20-2003, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by azkyote84

Is it my fault that I do not enjoy writing articles about a fake game?

With that kind of an attitude you shouldn't be playing online considering it is just a league of FAKE team playing FAKE games with FAKE players.

If you feel that way then why do you even play?

azkyote84 · 10-20-2003, 04:21 PM

Cowboy: Those statements weren't meant literally. Personally I love to write about my teams in most of my leagues. I was using those statements as examples of situations.

I hope nobody is thinking Pauly and I are having any huge fallout over this. Just getting some opinions from you fine folks...oh, and you too Cowboy

10-20-2003, 02:11 PM	#1
paulywerner Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 319	Activity Reward Systems in Online Leagues??? Ok, I currently am the commissioner for the AOBL.. I am also in another league that has a points based system on activity for owners, meaning if you do etc.etc. ... you get small improvements after awhile. Note, this is something that accumulates quickly, it is intended for the owners who are consistantly active. My feelings are to reward those, other than myself, for the time and effort they put into the league. Now, I have an issue where my partner thinks this is penalizing the owners who are unable to be as active... Sort of the glass is half empty outlook on this.... Granted, this would take at least one full season from a very active owner to even obtain anything with the points he accumulates. Apparently, he has an issue with editing anything that has to do with player abilities or fan loyalty, and I can see the point.. Im sure he will reply when he sees this, but Im trying to give details for both arguments here. I can see the argument, considering this is tooling with the game, which alot of people think is wrong... I personally dont think its tooling with the game, and gives opportunity to improve ones team the link for our rulebook is here.. AOBL Rules Please view section 12 in the rulebook, and leave some feedback... Thanks __________________ "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." OTBA Manhattan Millionaires The Juiced Baseball League Kansas City Royals United Baseball League Montreal Expos Bricks and Ivy Washington Nationals

10-20-2003, 02:16 PM	#2
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Were the rules in place before the people joined the league? __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved. Last edited by jaxmagicman; 10-20-2003 at 02:26 PM.

10-20-2003, 02:16 PM	#3
Enkiel Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Québec City Posts: 155	can't see why it is a problem... and after ready through the rule, i think it is pretty interesting.... i've always believed that if you cant be active, you shouldn't play online.... but there is one thing that not everyone is able to do... its the article thing..... some people think its stupid, some other just dont have the imagination to write that.... but rest is good __________________ Taken from Quebec's TV Show : You know why we love Viet Nam people so much? they won agains USA

10-20-2003, 02:35 PM	#9
azkyote84 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fosston, MN Posts: 328	For the record I love the penalties __________________ Andy - Future Author of: "Kyote Capenomics and You" Baseball Union Boston Resolute - 1907, 1908, 1909 Union Champions! Looking for 4! ABL Old - School 1999 NL Expansion Franchise

10-20-2003, 02:54 PM	#11
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Well, I see both sides. When you start changing talents and adding fan support you take away from the other teams that do not have the ability to write articles and stay as active as you like. That is why you should put something like this up for a vote. It will pass and then you will have no problem. You can say, we voted on this. I can see your side as well, you want to reward the GM's that stay interested in the league. Good for you. But trust me, somebody will think you are cheating them and there will be a post about it here or on your website. This best thing to do is nip in the bud now. Put it to a vote, let the GM's that are active all the time decide (remember it helps them) and if somebody says down the road you are cheating them. Bring out the fact that you voted on it as a league. I like your idea. I was just trying to help you down the road. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

10-20-2003, 02:26 PM	#4
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	I think it's nice to reward participation in a league as long as the reward doesn't give too big of an advantage to those teams.

10-20-2003, 03:04 PM	#12
paulywerner Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 319	I have put things like this to a vote, and it starts board brawls... In one of these posts about cheaters, If someone wants to accuse me of cheating, and can prove it, I will banish myself from the boards anyways. At no time is this intended to expoloit any edtiing abilities within the game... AZKyote has a point, and him being the co-founder in the AOBL, I listen to him, but once again, if this was something that gave certain owners the ability to have such a drastic advantage in any one area, I wouldnt even think of it. But this is something that gets dragged out, and one thing about this, if any owner loses points because of the penalties policy, then leaves the league, I will replace said points when new ownership takes over... Sort of like the Marlins... fans got irritated with ownership, stopped supporting the team, then once new ownership cam in, and improved the team, fan interest increased to where it previously was in 97.. this would just be a little bit faster...lol I plan to hold an owners meeting, and will listen to ideas, and voices from them regarding this, but, as a whole, wanted to get an idea of how many leagues actually have this in place.. __________________ "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." OTBA Manhattan Millionaires The Juiced Baseball League Kansas City Royals United Baseball League Montreal Expos Bricks and Ivy Washington Nationals

10-20-2003, 04:21 PM	#15
azkyote84 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fosston, MN Posts: 328	Cowboy: Those statements weren't meant literally. Personally I love to write about my teams in most of my leagues. I was using those statements as examples of situations. I hope nobody is thinking Pauly and I are having any huge fallout over this. Just getting some opinions from you fine folks...oh, and you too Cowboy __________________ Andy - Future Author of: "Kyote Capenomics and You" Baseball Union Boston Resolute - 1907, 1908, 1909 Union Champions! Looking for 4! ABL Old - School 1999 NL Expansion Franchise