AI disaster

clarnzz · 09-23-2003, 09:45 PM

I am usually able to overlook the AI and its ignorance, but after watching one of my owners get screwed in a playoff game tonight I can't bite my tounge. Absolutely unbelievable.

Heres the two situations:

Pitcher is injured facing the last batter of bottom of 4 at which point the game brings in a RP for some reason who is due up 2nd in the coming inning. He is then pinch hit for in the top of 5th, never throwing a pitch and wasting a valuable arm in what would be an extra inning game.

#2-
The teams closer who was completely rested pitches in the bottom of 8th up 4-3. He retires the side on 6 pitches. He then bats in the top of the inning only to be replaced by the teams worst relief pitcher going into the bottom of ninth in a 4-3 game in game 2 of the LCS. He promptly allows the tieing run to send the game to extra innings where he allows a walk-off grandslam in the bottom of 10.

I can see no rationalization for either of these situations, (I bet Henry can't even attempt to). Simply amazing how the game just throws away a 7 AR releiver in the 5th and then yanks the teams 10 AR closer going into the bottom of the ninth in a 4-3 game.

Lesson: Don't check your game logs, it will make ya sick.

Steve Kuffrey · 09-23-2003, 09:59 PM

Noted and sent to Markus.

Henry · 09-23-2003, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by clarnzz
I can see no rationalization for either of these situations, (I bet Henry can't even attempt to).

Your right... not even gonna try

pallison14 · 09-23-2003, 10:07 PM

Yep, was a killer for me. Thought I had it in the bag until the scrub came in for the 9th. Only reason he was on the roster was because of the rash of last week injuries, but that's another thread.

clarnzz · 09-23-2003, 10:15 PM

Thanks guys, hanging in there.

Heres the box/log if it helps:

Box Score

Mel_Ott · 09-23-2003, 11:43 PM

Well, it looks like the starter - Ahumada, right? - was removed because he was injured. So that makes sense.

I still don't get why Palacios was pulled, unless he was set up with a really quick hook, or had a wicked low pitch count. I suspect it has something to do with him being a "closer", so the AI treats him the way a typical big-league manager would and only uses him for an inning, regardless of the situation.

dangarion · 09-24-2003, 12:55 AM

Although it looks like Nick Johnson (the pitch hitter) did get you a hit and run

. Still makes no sense why the game would have done that. If the inning was over it should have thought PH instead of RP.

As for the closer, 6 pitches and a C rating in relieving stamina. Maybe the computer was thinking R/L splits or something? Doesn't make sense with only 6 pitches thrown. Maybe his at-bat was REALLY REALLY long, like he fouled off pitch after pitch and was exhausted!

Markus Heinsohn · 09-24-2003, 04:40 AM

Well, I have no idea why that happened, but I prevented the 2nd issue to happen anymore in 5.13.

The first problem was a pretty easy fix, though.

lonewolf · 09-24-2003, 07:38 AM

If you enable the DH, it takes a lot of the poor substitution mannerisms (such as these) out of play. I would think having the pitcher hit adds nothing of substance to an online league.

draven085 · 09-24-2003, 07:53 AM

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about in this thread.

ssmarsh · 09-24-2003, 09:54 AM

<< If you enable the DH, it takes a lot of the poor substitution mannerisms (such as these) out of play. I would think having the pitcher hit adds nothing of substance to an online league. >>

I couldn't agree more. I'm in my 5th season of an on-line laegue and we switched to the DH after year 1. I am still perplexed by some of the moves the AI makes regarding the bullpen, but I'm trying to deal with it by using pitch counts and the individual hook settings.

Steve

pallison14 · 09-24-2003, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mel_Ott
[B]Well, it looks like the starter - Ahumada, right? - was removed because he was injured. So that makes sense.

It does make sense that he was pulled, but he managed to complete the inning. A MR was then put into his slot, only to be immediately pinch hit for.

ctorg · 09-24-2003, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by clarnzz
I am usually able to overlook the AI and its ignorance, but after watching one of my owners get screwed in a playoff game tonight I can't bite my tounge. Absolutely unbelievable.

Heres the two situations:

Pitcher is injured facing the last batter of bottom of 4 at which point the game brings in a RP for some reason who is due up 2nd in the coming inning. He is then pinch hit for in the top of 5th, never throwing a pitch and wasting a valuable arm in what would be an extra inning game.

#2-
The teams closer who was completely rested pitches in the bottom of 8th up 4-3. He retires the side on 6 pitches. He then bats in the top of the inning only to be replaced by the teams worst relief pitcher going into the bottom of ninth in a 4-3 game in game 2 of the LCS. He promptly allows the tieing run to send the game to extra innings where he allows a walk-off grandslam in the bottom of 10.

I can see no rationalization for either of these situations, (I bet Henry can't even attempt to). Simply amazing how the game just throws away a 7 AR releiver in the 5th and then yanks the teams 10 AR closer going into the bottom of the ninth in a 4-3 game.

Lesson: Don't check your game logs, it will make ya sick.

Hey, that makes perfect sense. Why, just the other day, I replaced my entire starting lineup with pitchers and had my third baseman pitch. What a game it was!

mad0die · 09-24-2003, 05:41 PM

We do lots of live sims in the MBBA and I would frequently do a "Highlighted" game and give inning by inning details to the chat room. The things we saw the AI do in our non-DH league were pretty horrifying. My personal favorite is when the game lets the pitcher hit in a crucial late game situation with 2 outs and guys on and your team down. The pitcher makes an out, ends the inning and then is immediately relieved by a new pitcher to start the next inning. That should never happen. If AI lets him hit, then it should let him pitch too. If it doesn't want him pitching next inning then he should be PH'ed for.

sjshaw · 09-24-2003, 05:52 PM

I believe the FOBL's personal favorite AI brain fart is the infamous "men on 1st and 2nd, 2 outs, tie game, bottom of the ninth... DOUBLE STEAL!"

draven085 · 09-25-2003, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sjshaw
I believe the FOBL's personal favorite AI brain fart is the infamous "men on 1st and 2nd, 2 outs, tie game, bottom of the ninth... DOUBLE STEAL!"

Well that's one of things:

1) A REALLY ballsy call by the manager
2) A missed sign

No problem with the AI there

ctorg · 09-25-2003, 08:43 AM

I can make up a real-world excuse for any AI glitch. Not that it's not still a glitch.

draven085 · 09-25-2003, 08:51 AM

Double stealing to put the winning run in scoring position along with the tying run is playing to win. I like it when the CPU doesn't play lawyer ball.

sjshaw · 09-25-2003, 11:46 AM

The winning run is already in scoring position.

draven085 · 09-25-2003, 11:51 AM

Oh yeah. I guess it helps to read sometimes. It was 7:48 am. At that hour of the morning by brain is on life support functions only.

09-23-2003, 09:45 PM	#1
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	AI disaster I am usually able to overlook the AI and its ignorance, but after watching one of my owners get screwed in a playoff game tonight I can't bite my tounge. Absolutely unbelievable. Heres the two situations: Pitcher is injured facing the last batter of bottom of 4 at which point the game brings in a RP for some reason who is due up 2nd in the coming inning. He is then pinch hit for in the top of 5th, never throwing a pitch and wasting a valuable arm in what would be an extra inning game. #2- The teams closer who was completely rested pitches in the bottom of 8th up 4-3. He retires the side on 6 pitches. He then bats in the top of the inning only to be replaced by the teams worst relief pitcher going into the bottom of ninth in a 4-3 game in game 2 of the LCS. He promptly allows the tieing run to send the game to extra innings where he allows a walk-off grandslam in the bottom of 10. I can see no rationalization for either of these situations, (I bet Henry can't even attempt to). Simply amazing how the game just throws away a 7 AR releiver in the 5th and then yanks the teams 10 AR closer going into the bottom of the ninth in a 4-3 game. Lesson: Don't check your game logs, it will make ya sick.

09-23-2003, 10:07 PM	#4
pallison14 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 452	Yep, was a killer for me. Thought I had it in the bag until the scrub came in for the 9th. Only reason he was on the roster was because of the rash of last week injuries, but that's another thread. __________________ Commissioner, NGBL - Putting the FUNK in defunct. New York (AL), UBL

09-23-2003, 11:43 PM	#6
Mel_Ott Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the deer and the antelope play Posts: 924	Well, it looks like the starter - Ahumada, right? - was removed because he was injured. So that makes sense. I still don't get why Palacios was pulled, unless he was set up with a really quick hook, or had a wicked low pitch count. I suspect it has something to do with him being a "closer", so the AI treats him the way a typical big-league manager would and only uses him for an inning, regardless of the situation. __________________ jgross's worst nightmare!!!!111 Owner, Sin City Swingers, OBTL

09-24-2003, 12:55 AM	#7
dangarion All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 569	Although it looks like Nick Johnson (the pitch hitter) did get you a hit and run . Still makes no sense why the game would have done that. If the inning was over it should have thought PH instead of RP. As for the closer, 6 pitches and a C rating in relieving stamina. Maybe the computer was thinking R/L splits or something? Doesn't make sense with only 6 pitches thrown. Maybe his at-bat was REALLY REALLY long, like he fouled off pitch after pitch and was exhausted! __________________ DanGarion GM - Los Angeles Dodgers The Peanuts and Cracker Jack Baseball League PCJBL!

09-24-2003, 07:38 AM	#9
lonewolf Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 13	If you enable the DH, it takes a lot of the poor substitution mannerisms (such as these) out of play. I would think having the pitcher hit adds nothing of substance to an online league. Last edited by lonewolf; 09-24-2003 at 07:40 AM.

09-23-2003, 09:59 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Noted and sent to Markus. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

09-23-2003, 10:15 PM	#5
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	Thanks guys, hanging in there. Heres the box/log if it helps: Box Score

09-24-2003, 04:40 AM	#8
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	Well, I have no idea why that happened, but I prevented the 2nd issue to happen anymore in 5.13. The first problem was a pretty easy fix, though.

09-24-2003, 07:53 AM	#10
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Re: AI disaster This is a perfect example of what I was talking about in this thread.

09-24-2003, 09:54 AM	#11
ssmarsh Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 178	<< If you enable the DH, it takes a lot of the poor substitution mannerisms (such as these) out of play. I would think having the pitcher hit adds nothing of substance to an online league. >> I couldn't agree more. I'm in my 5th season of an on-line laegue and we switched to the DH after year 1. I am still perplexed by some of the moves the AI makes regarding the bullpen, but I'm trying to deal with it by using pitch counts and the individual hook settings. Steve

09-24-2003, 05:41 PM	#14
mad0die All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: TX Posts: 913	We do lots of live sims in the MBBA and I would frequently do a "Highlighted" game and give inning by inning details to the chat room. The things we saw the AI do in our non-DH league were pretty horrifying. My personal favorite is when the game lets the pitcher hit in a crucial late game situation with 2 outs and guys on and your team down. The pitcher makes an out, ends the inning and then is immediately relieved by a new pitcher to start the next inning. That should never happen. If AI lets him hit, then it should let him pitch too. If it doesn't want him pitching next inning then he should be PH'ed for. __________________ Commish GUBA

09-24-2003, 05:52 PM	#15
sjshaw Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 236	I believe the FOBL's personal favorite AI brain fart is the infamous "men on 1st and 2nd, 2 outs, tie game, bottom of the ninth... DOUBLE STEAL!"

09-25-2003, 08:43 AM	#17
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I can make up a real-world excuse for any AI glitch. Not that it's not still a glitch. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

09-25-2003, 08:51 AM	#18
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Double stealing to put the winning run in scoring position along with the tying run is playing to win. I like it when the CPU doesn't play lawyer ball.

09-25-2003, 11:46 AM	#19
sjshaw Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 236	The winning run is already in scoring position.

09-25-2003, 11:51 AM	#20
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Oh yeah. I guess it helps to read sometimes. It was 7:48 am. At that hour of the morning by brain is on life support functions only.