#8 hitters mash

scotto313 · 09-15-2003, 08:42 AM

sixto touched on this in his thread but it eas not covered much. I too have noticed that OOTP's number 8 hitters (with DH) have an unusual RBI total. They lead the team more often than not. Should this not be the 4 or 5 guy?

ctorg · 09-15-2003, 09:48 AM

I haven't had this issue come up. It's interesting. I wonder how that ends up happening.

scotto313 · 09-15-2003, 11:00 AM

It happens more often than not with computer controlled teams. Example: A-Rod is number 8 hitter with 57 HR, 176 RBI, .304 BA. Strange spot for those numbers.

Henry · 09-15-2003, 11:03 AM

It might be a result of the way the AI puts it's lineups together. If a lot of OnBase guyrs are in the middle of the lineup - I could see this happening. I suppose it's also possible the RBIs aren't being totaled correctly ?? Can someone check this ?

spleen1015 · 09-15-2003, 11:06 AM

I'm sure the answer is yes, but are you sure he has batted in the 8th spot the whole season?

ctorg · 09-15-2003, 01:01 PM

God, A-Rod hitting 8th? I'd say that's weird.

Then again, the game knows only ratings, not names.

Gastric ReFlux · 09-15-2003, 01:08 PM

I've seen this happen on teams where they don't have a good leadoff man. The only guys with good OBPs are the ones with power and they get stuck in the 3rd, 3th, and 5th spots in the lineup and it ends up giving the #8 guy plenty of RBI chances.

scotto313 · 09-16-2003, 09:52 AM

It's not just A-rod. I't happens with most of the AI controlled teams. Just weird.

dougaiton · 09-16-2003, 10:32 AM

Is platooning an issue? i remember in OOTP2 my number 6 hitter always had huge numbers of RBIs, and I wondered whether it was the way I set my lineup (I prefer good avg., good BB guys at number 4,5 and 6 than guys with good power but hit .240).

My suspicion is that the AI prefers balanced hitters (quite logically) and puts them in the centre, so that the best .avg hitters (who tend to have good OBP) bat 3,4,5,6, leaving the pure power guys at the bottom of the lineup. Hence, a lucky season for the power guys, and their 20 HRs are always with men on base.

Big Train · 09-16-2003, 02:50 PM

I've noticed the AI often bats the catcher (who is usually slow) second, This doesn't make sense to me as it causes a lot of double plays. Haven't noticed #8 hitters getting an unusual amount of RBI though.

ctorg · 09-16-2003, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by Big Train
I've noticed the AI often bats the catcher (who is usually slow) second, This doesn't make sense to me as it causes a lot of double plays. Haven't noticed #8 hitters getting an unusual amount of RBI though.

Actually, I believe it's been shown that OOTP doesn't take speed into account, at least not much, when it comes to double plays.

eriqjaffe · 09-16-2003, 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by ctorg
Actually, I believe it's been shown that OOTP doesn't take speed into account, at least not much, when it comes to double plays.

Yeah, I get an occasional "he was just too fast" line in the PBP, but that's just as likely to happen to a guy with "C" speed as it is to a guy with "A" speed.

And whenever you see a "quick throw" to first, I think the runner is safe every time. Could just be me, though.

But I love seeing an "E" catcher get a triple, especially when the ball was played by an outfielder with an "A" arm. Then again, I saw Greg Luzinski hit a triple IRL, so anything is possible.

--Eriq.

Gastric ReFlux · 09-16-2003, 03:47 PM

That Luzinski thing is an urban legend.

dougaiton · 09-16-2003, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by eriqjaffe

And whenever you see a "quick throw" to first, I think the runner is safe every time. Could just be me, though.

Unless it says 'close play' afterwards. Then he has a chance...

09-15-2003, 08:42 AM	#1
scotto313 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,220	#8 hitters mash sixto touched on this in his thread but it eas not covered much. I too have noticed that OOTP's number 8 hitters (with DH) have an unusual RBI total. They lead the team more often than not. Should this not be the 4 or 5 guy?

09-15-2003, 09:48 AM	#2
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I haven't had this issue come up. It's interesting. I wonder how that ends up happening. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

09-15-2003, 01:01 PM	#6
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	God, A-Rod hitting 8th? I'd say that's weird. Then again, the game knows only ratings, not names. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

09-16-2003, 10:32 AM	#9
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	Is platooning an issue? i remember in OOTP2 my number 6 hitter always had huge numbers of RBIs, and I wondered whether it was the way I set my lineup (I prefer good avg., good BB guys at number 4,5 and 6 than guys with good power but hit .240). My suspicion is that the AI prefers balanced hitters (quite logically) and puts them in the centre, so that the best .avg hitters (who tend to have good OBP) bat 3,4,5,6, leaving the pure power guys at the bottom of the lineup. Hence, a lucky season for the power guys, and their 20 HRs are always with men on base. __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC) Last edited by dougaiton; 09-16-2003 at 10:36 AM.

09-15-2003, 11:00 AM	#3
scotto313 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,220	It happens more often than not with computer controlled teams. Example: A-Rod is number 8 hitter with 57 HR, 176 RBI, .304 BA. Strange spot for those numbers.

09-15-2003, 11:03 AM	#4
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	It might be a result of the way the AI puts it's lineups together. If a lot of OnBase guyrs are in the middle of the lineup - I could see this happening. I suppose it's also possible the RBIs aren't being totaled correctly ?? Can someone check this ?

09-15-2003, 11:06 AM	#5
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,006	I'm sure the answer is yes, but are you sure he has batted in the 8th spot the whole season?

09-15-2003, 01:08 PM	#7
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	I've seen this happen on teams where they don't have a good leadoff man. The only guys with good OBPs are the ones with power and they get stuck in the 3rd, 3th, and 5th spots in the lineup and it ends up giving the #8 guy plenty of RBI chances.

09-16-2003, 09:52 AM	#8
scotto313 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,220	It's not just A-rod. I't happens with most of the AI controlled teams. Just weird.

09-16-2003, 02:50 PM	#10
Big Train Major Leagues Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 402	I've noticed the AI often bats the catcher (who is usually slow) second, This doesn't make sense to me as it causes a lot of double plays. Haven't noticed #8 hitters getting an unusual amount of RBI though.

09-16-2003, 03:47 PM	#13
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	That Luzinski thing is an urban legend.