Staying Tired

[theREDdoor28]

I searched for the title, and didn't really give me anything.

In my solo league, Andruw Jones has been tired for the whole 2nd half. I give him a day off, still tired. I give him 2 days off, still tired. Now, I can't give him anymore days off in a row, since I'm in a heated battle, but is this just a bug? Is he actually really tired, or is the text just not changing? What do I do?

I have noticed, since the break, a decline in numbers too.

[Steve Kuffrey]

Not a bug, resting a player 1 or 2 games won't always do it. There are different "levels" of how players fatigue(I don't know what they are and don't want to). It's up to you he needs to be rested.

[Cooker]

I've noticed that some of my players get tired much more often. There must be a hidden code that brings on fatigue more quickly and more often for some players than for others. But I've never seen a situation where a couple days rest didn't solve the problem. Interesting!

Because in my 2005 season I'm now in a pennant race (for the first time) I've started to rest my starters occasionally even if they aren't shown as being tired, particularly against weaker opponents. I figure it can't hurt in the long run and might keep them fresher when September rolls around. Anyone else ever do this?

[Gastric ReFlux]

Some players fatigue faster than others. Some players recover faster than others.

[Eric]

take away their computer. they're probably staying up all night playing OOTP.

[Cooker]

Good answer!!

[Kelric]

Originally posted by Eric
take away their computer. they're probably staying up all night playing OOTP.

I certainly know that feeling.

[theREDdoor28]

Not realistic, but I'll try resting him for 3-4 days then.

No player should be tired for so long. I have been giving him a few days off a week ever since the Break. He shouldn't still be tired.

[BondsForever]

I have players getting tired after the first two weeks of the season. that seems unrealistic to me.

[Big Train]

Yeah I agree if thed goal of fatigue is to make people use utility players more they should just make more small minor injuries and have them happen more often. [I love that so-and-so was in a bar fight one ). I especially hate when a team's whole lineup gets tired at the same time and there's a crucial game. Totally unrealistic, I mean can you imagine a Red Sox vs Yankees game and before the game someone announces "Nomar can't play today he's tired"? Wouldn't happen. Fatigue should only apply to pitchers and catchers in my opinion.

[Steve Kuffrey]

You honestly believe that ONLY pitchers and catchers get "fatigued"? Why do you think that players get days off, at times? No, our system is not perfect BUT.......THIS GAME IS A WORK IN PROGRESS and will never replace "real life" and will constantly be evaluated and improved "as we are able".

[Skipaway]

Originally posted by Big Train
Yeah I agree if thed goal of fatigue is to make people use utility players more they should just make more small minor injuries and have them happen more often. [I love that so-and-so was in a bar fight one ). I especially hate when a team's whole lineup gets tired at the same time and there's a crucial game. Totally unrealistic, I mean can you imagine a Red Sox vs Yankees game and before the game someone announces "Nomar can't play today he's tired"? Wouldn't happen. Fatigue should only apply to pitchers and catchers in my opinion.

They don't announce it doesn't mean it's not realistic. How would you know if Cal Ripken actually play through half of his streak feeling tired? Would he tell you?

I've forced my players to play all 162 games without resting. I am sure all the "virtual" fans in game didn't know that, and sure the "virtual" announcers won't say a thing when you sit Nomar for whatever reason.

[Steve Kuffrey]

The announcers would say something like "Joe Blow is getting the night off.....", not "Joe Blow is tired from not getting enough sleep and playing 17 games in a row".

[Big Train]

Well yes I'm not saying guys don't get tired but it's the manager's decision (along with the player's) in real life so why not in the game as well. Maybe you could have players send e-mail saying "I could use a day off" or something. I'm just saying that it's unrealistic for players to miss very important games just because they're tired .

[Steve Kuffrey]

That is an option, but even when they are tired now it is still the managers decision to play them or sit them.

[Skipaway]

Originally posted by Big Train
Well yes I'm not saying guys don't get tired but it's the manager's decision (along with the player's) in real life so why not in the game as well. Maybe you could have players send e-mail saying "I could use a day off" or something. I'm just saying that it's unrealistic for players to miss very important games just because they're tired .

Yeah it would be great if AI can judge which games are more important and plan accordingly.

[Le Grande Orange]

I don't think it's necessarily a matter of the player merely being tired, but more importantly, to what degree does that tiredness affect their playing ability?

If they get tired quickly but have to be tired for a long time before there is any large impact on their playing ability, then I wouldn't think it's that much of an issue.

If however the player is tired after a relatively brief time, and the tired status quickly and noticeably affects the player's performance, then perhaps there is something to look at.

You have to wonder how players back in the 1920s or 1930s got fatigued and the effect it might have had on them, considering back then playing 2 straight days of doubleheaders was not uncommon. And sometimes teams played 4 or even 5 consecutive days of doubleheaders (yes, that'd be as many as 10 games in just 5 days)...

[Skipaway]

Originally posted by Le Grande Orange
I don't think it's necessarily a matter of the player merely being tired, but more importantly, to what degree does that tiredness affect their playing ability?

If they get tired quickly but have to be tired for a long time before there is any large impact on their playing ability, then I wouldn't think it's that much of an issue.

If however the player is tired after a relatively brief time, and the tired status quickly and noticeably affects the player's performance, then perhaps there is something to look at.

You have to wonder how players back in the 1920s or 1930s got fatigued and the effect it might have had on them, considering back then playing 2 straight days of doubleheaders was not uncommon. And sometimes teams played 4 or even 5 consecutive days of doubleheaders (yes, that'd be as many as 10 games in just 5 days)...

So some of them might have been even better? The issue you raised is similar to the speculation of how some old time pitchers could have longer careers if their pitch counts were monitored.

[theREDdoor28]

Well, again, I've given Andruw ALOT of days off lately and he is still tired. That, is not explainable, nor real. No I'm not complaining, because I know the game is a work in progress, but that is how it is - and I was just reporting it. He shouldn't be tired at all.

[Big Train]

This is really my concern as well...Does tiredness start off as a very minor effect on performance and get worse if you ignore it or is it a constant value like "any tired player will always play 20% worse than any non-tired player". Anyone know which is correct?

Originally posted by Le Grande Orange
I don't think it's necessarily a matter of the player merely being tired, but more importantly, to what degree does that tiredness affect their playing ability?

If they get tired quickly but have to be tired for a long time before there is any large impact on their playing ability, then I wouldn't think it's that much of an issue.

If however the player is tired after a relatively brief time, and the tired status quickly and noticeably affects the player's performance, then perhaps there is something to look at.

You have to wonder how players back in the 1920s or 1930s got fatigued and the effect it might have had on them, considering back then playing 2 straight days of doubleheaders was not uncommon. And sometimes teams played 4 or even 5 consecutive days of doubleheaders (yes, that'd be as many as 10 games in just 5 days)...