Trade value in 16 team online league question

Jonzard · 08-15-2003, 04:16 PM

Okay, so me and some friends have an online league goin. We are all pretty new. The hardest thing we have to learn is trade value.

Sure, anyone can trade an average left fielder for an average 3rd basemen. Our problem is that when there is a deal involving cash, prospects, or draft picks.

For example:

What kind of value is a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick?

How much cash for an average player?

I have a A ball prospect, Brilliant talent in avg, avg talent in 3b, good in hr... rest of talent is "fair"

3 rating in avg
0 2b
4 3b
3 hr
2 avoid k
2 draw walks

How much value would i get for him?

A major leaguer of average ratings? Better?

Theres a few questions to work on if anyone would please help, that would be appreciated

mad0die · 08-15-2003, 04:31 PM

If you can't quantify his value knowing the league, the players, the teams, the owners and the given financial situations. How do you think we can do any better without knowing any of these things?

Everyone values players differently. There are tons of factors to derive "value". If you want to find his value, make him publicly available and see what kind of offers you get.

If you are struggling as a league to make reasonable trades, maybe you should severely limit or eliminate altogether the trading of draft picks (which are very hard to quantify) and place a limit on the maximum cash that can be traded (like Bud does). Once your league has some maturity and some stable ownership, you could always add those back in.

LivnLegend · 08-15-2003, 04:42 PM

If you do not have a handle on what is a "fair" trade, you can limit the scope of trades to avoid having one team plundered of its talent. For example, limit the amount of money that can change hands in any deal (say $2 mill). I would also toss out the idea of not allowing draft picks to be traded. This has been the rule in the USBA since day one (now in our sixth season) and team owners have always found a way to get deals done regardless.

By limiting the variables somewhat, you can lessen the opportunity for short-sided trades that can leave a franchise in ruins for years to come.

edit - I see I repeated much of what Mad0Die posted...sorry, should have read his post!

Karen Lutz · 08-15-2003, 04:49 PM

Exactly, like Scott said, don't trade picks, it isn't part of baseball anyway.

08-15-2003, 04:16 PM	#1
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	Trade value in 16 team online league question Okay, so me and some friends have an online league goin. We are all pretty new. The hardest thing we have to learn is trade value. Sure, anyone can trade an average left fielder for an average 3rd basemen. Our problem is that when there is a deal involving cash, prospects, or draft picks. For example: What kind of value is a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick? How much cash for an average player? I have a A ball prospect, Brilliant talent in avg, avg talent in 3b, good in hr... rest of talent is "fair" 3 rating in avg 0 2b 4 3b 3 hr 2 avoid k 2 draw walks How much value would i get for him? A major leaguer of average ratings? Better? Theres a few questions to work on if anyone would please help, that would be appreciated __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

08-15-2003, 04:31 PM	#2
mad0die All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: TX Posts: 913	If you can't quantify his value knowing the league, the players, the teams, the owners and the given financial situations. How do you think we can do any better without knowing any of these things? Everyone values players differently. There are tons of factors to derive "value". If you want to find his value, make him publicly available and see what kind of offers you get. If you are struggling as a league to make reasonable trades, maybe you should severely limit or eliminate altogether the trading of draft picks (which are very hard to quantify) and place a limit on the maximum cash that can be traded (like Bud does). Once your league has some maturity and some stable ownership, you could always add those back in. __________________ Commish GUBA

08-15-2003, 04:42 PM	#3
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	If you do not have a handle on what is a "fair" trade, you can limit the scope of trades to avoid having one team plundered of its talent. For example, limit the amount of money that can change hands in any deal (say $2 mill). I would also toss out the idea of not allowing draft picks to be traded. This has been the rule in the USBA since day one (now in our sixth season) and team owners have always found a way to get deals done regardless. By limiting the variables somewhat, you can lessen the opportunity for short-sided trades that can leave a franchise in ruins for years to come. edit - I see I repeated much of what Mad0Die posted...sorry, should have read his post! __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

08-15-2003, 04:49 PM	#4
Karen Lutz Ball Breaker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada OOTPChampionships: 5 Posts: 898	Exactly, like Scott said, don't trade picks, it isn't part of baseball anyway.