Need some advice/feedback

draven085 · 07-13-2003, 04:53 PM

I am wondering how long people usually stick with a guy who is underpreforming compared to his ratings. In my fictional league my 2nd baseman (6/8/6 & g/g/a) is sucking it up with a .691 ops. He is also a D defensively so he's not helping me there. My DH is rated 6/9/4 & g/b/f and has a .640 ops. I am a month into my season and both players have produced at their current levels consistently throughout the month. I realize this is a small sample size, obviously, but I am wondering how long people usually give guys to turn it around. These guys are supposed to be the cornerstones of my offense and they aren't getting it done. Both are 27 and so if I needed to I could probably get a decent return on them in trade. Any thoughts?

Rene · 07-13-2003, 05:12 PM

I go one month with no changes to the team, regardless of position in the standings. At the end of April I then move all underperforming team members to the minors or trade them for prospects. During the rest of the year I don't tolerate low performance on my team. Get rid of the crap early in the season before they kill you in the standings.

Cuss16 · 07-13-2003, 05:20 PM

I usually stick with the same players even if he is underperforming. Sometimes even throughout his whole career.

KurtBevacqua · 07-14-2003, 12:57 PM

Gotta watch how quick you pull the trigger on these guys. Current league I am running, Seattle (not my team) was getting hammered by underperforming stars. By May 1 Edgar Martinez was hitting .205 with 1 HR and Ichiro was hitting .250. Now it's May 20 and Edgar is up to .256 with 7 homers and Ichiro is hitting .275. I bet by the end of the year both are well over .300 . This game requires a bit of patience.

Gastric ReFlux · 07-14-2003, 01:17 PM

Even the stars will have a bad month.

But it is one of the fun and confounding challenges in the game. Do I stick with him? He's got to start hitting soon, right?

koohead · 07-14-2003, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Even the stars will have a bad month.

But it is one of the fun and confounding challenges in the game. Do I stick with him? He's got to start hitting soon, right?

yeah...that's what I said all through April, May, and June for Paul Konerko and Pat Burrell in my real life fantasy teams.

Gastric ReFlux · 07-14-2003, 01:40 PM

Pat qualifies as confounding right now

akw4572 · 07-14-2003, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Pat qualifies as confounding right now

i agree, but i think konerko is a bit more. He has had decent averages over the past few seasons, with above average power numbers, now he has neither. Burrell is gonna be more prone to slump (though not this bad), because he doesn't make contact as consistent.

84CubsFan · 07-14-2003, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by akw4572
i agree, but i think konerko is a bit more. He has had decent averages over the past few seasons, with above average power numbers, now he has neither. Burrell is gonna be more prone to slump (though not this bad), because he doesn't make contact as consistent.

See: Rick Wilkins (C -- Chicago Cubs, early 90s)

Also see: "frustration"

Gastric ReFlux · 07-14-2003, 02:04 PM

Now seems like a good time to remind all of you that OOTP doesn't know names, it just knows numbers and ratings.

draven085 · 07-14-2003, 02:07 PM

Even fictional names? Can't you keep anything on topic Gassy? Jeesh.

Gastric ReFlux · 07-14-2003, 02:09 PM

Well it almost sounded good at the time.

Give me a big e!

draven085 · 07-14-2003, 02:11 PM

I'm just giving you material to respond to and helping you on your quest to become a hall of famer.

I do love the challenge of trying to figure out whether or not these guys will be the players they appear to be. I'll give them another month or so and then make a couple of decisions.

Gastric ReFlux · 07-14-2003, 02:18 PM

I've got a guy like that right now. My first season with him, he did a great job coming in off the bench. Hit over .350 with 10 homers and I figured he was solid for third base the next season. So I traded away my start third baseman for prospects and put Paredes in the starting lineup.

The first year he got off to a horrible start. I mean real bad. He ended up the season with a .256 average, 20 homers and 81 RBIs, but he was under .200 by the start of June with just one homer.

So I think okay, it looks like he's ready to take off. This year his ratings have gone up to 7 contact, 8 power, 7 eye/discipline. Again, he gets off to a real cruddy start. But he still really doesn't have the numbers to match what I would hope for from those ratings.

draven085 · 07-14-2003, 02:25 PM

Well as I was posting the initial post in this thread my 2nd baseman hit his 2nd HR of the year. Maybe he just needed some motivation.

I am in first place and have a big lead, but I am +3 or +4 according to my pythagorean record so I am a bit concerned. My starters are very medicore so I may end up trading one of these bats anyway.

Gastric ReFlux · 07-14-2003, 02:28 PM

That might not be a bad idea. Sometimes it seems like you can never have enough arms.

Both my ace and number 2 guy are down with injuries right now. The ace got his hand broken by a line drive in the game.

draven085 · 07-14-2003, 02:34 PM

I decided to build a strong bullpen and use a 4 man rotation to maximize innings by my most effective pitchers. My #1 is a 22 year old lefty who is 4-0 with an ERA under 3. I finished April and the #3 guy out of my pen had 7 wins. I find its good to have a quick hook. My offense can usually get me back in games if I can limit the damage. The scary thing is how much I think about these things at work

Gastric ReFlux · 07-14-2003, 02:38 PM

My hook tends to be pretty quick too. About the only time a starter of mine gets a complete game is if he pitches a shutout. And that's using the 46-60 era settings, where the pitchers don't tire so quickly.

draven085 · 07-14-2003, 02:41 PM

Same here. It must come from having watch Jimy Williams manage so many Sox games a few years back.

It seems to me there are a lot of big innings in OOTP and my pitchers have not demonstrated the ability to 'work out' of these jams. I also try and limit their pitch counts since I am using a 4 man rotation and 3 of my starters have C or D for endurance. I don't think I had a complete game in April. I am using the modern settings for my fictional NAPBA.

Gastric ReFlux · 07-14-2003, 02:44 PM

You may be right. I've noticed that it seems like there are those streaks. All of a sudden you'll see the pitcher get tagged by 3 straight hard hit balls and he just loses it.

07-13-2003, 05:12 PM	#2
Rene Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Midwest Posts: 52	Down on the farm... I go one month with no changes to the team, regardless of position in the standings. At the end of April I then move all underperforming team members to the minors or trade them for prospects. During the rest of the year I don't tolerate low performance on my team. Get rid of the crap early in the season before they kill you in the standings. __________________ There is no shame in losing, but there is glory in winning.

07-14-2003, 12:57 PM	#4
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	Gotta watch how quick you pull the trigger on these guys. Current league I am running, Seattle (not my team) was getting hammered by underperforming stars. By May 1 Edgar Martinez was hitting .205 with 1 HR and Ichiro was hitting .250. Now it's May 20 and Edgar is up to .256 with 7 homers and Ichiro is hitting .275. I bet by the end of the year both are well over .300 . This game requires a bit of patience. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

07-13-2003, 04:53 PM	#1
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Need some advice/feedback I am wondering how long people usually stick with a guy who is underpreforming compared to his ratings. In my fictional league my 2nd baseman (6/8/6 & g/g/a) is sucking it up with a .691 ops. He is also a D defensively so he's not helping me there. My DH is rated 6/9/4 & g/b/f and has a .640 ops. I am a month into my season and both players have produced at their current levels consistently throughout the month. I realize this is a small sample size, obviously, but I am wondering how long people usually give guys to turn it around. These guys are supposed to be the cornerstones of my offense and they aren't getting it done. Both are 27 and so if I needed to I could probably get a decent return on them in trade. Any thoughts?

07-13-2003, 05:20 PM	#3
Cuss16 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: BC, CANADA Posts: 2,994	I usually stick with the same players even if he is underperforming. Sometimes even throughout his whole career. __________________

07-14-2003, 01:17 PM	#5
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Even the stars will have a bad month. But it is one of the fun and confounding challenges in the game. Do I stick with him? He's got to start hitting soon, right?

07-14-2003, 01:40 PM	#7
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Pat qualifies as confounding right now

07-14-2003, 02:04 PM	#10
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Now seems like a good time to remind all of you that OOTP doesn't know names, it just knows numbers and ratings.

07-14-2003, 02:07 PM	#11
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Even fictional names? Can't you keep anything on topic Gassy? Jeesh.

07-14-2003, 02:09 PM	#12
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Well it almost sounded good at the time. Give me a big e!

07-14-2003, 02:11 PM	#13
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	I'm just giving you material to respond to and helping you on your quest to become a hall of famer. I do love the challenge of trying to figure out whether or not these guys will be the players they appear to be. I'll give them another month or so and then make a couple of decisions.

07-14-2003, 02:18 PM	#14
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	I've got a guy like that right now. My first season with him, he did a great job coming in off the bench. Hit over .350 with 10 homers and I figured he was solid for third base the next season. So I traded away my start third baseman for prospects and put Paredes in the starting lineup. The first year he got off to a horrible start. I mean real bad. He ended up the season with a .256 average, 20 homers and 81 RBIs, but he was under .200 by the start of June with just one homer. So I think okay, it looks like he's ready to take off. This year his ratings have gone up to 7 contact, 8 power, 7 eye/discipline. Again, he gets off to a real cruddy start. But he still really doesn't have the numbers to match what I would hope for from those ratings.

07-14-2003, 02:25 PM	#15
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Well as I was posting the initial post in this thread my 2nd baseman hit his 2nd HR of the year. Maybe he just needed some motivation. I am in first place and have a big lead, but I am +3 or +4 according to my pythagorean record so I am a bit concerned. My starters are very medicore so I may end up trading one of these bats anyway.

07-14-2003, 02:28 PM	#16
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	That might not be a bad idea. Sometimes it seems like you can never have enough arms. Both my ace and number 2 guy are down with injuries right now. The ace got his hand broken by a line drive in the game.

07-14-2003, 02:34 PM	#17
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	I decided to build a strong bullpen and use a 4 man rotation to maximize innings by my most effective pitchers. My #1 is a 22 year old lefty who is 4-0 with an ERA under 3. I finished April and the #3 guy out of my pen had 7 wins. I find its good to have a quick hook. My offense can usually get me back in games if I can limit the damage. The scary thing is how much I think about these things at work

07-14-2003, 02:38 PM	#18
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	My hook tends to be pretty quick too. About the only time a starter of mine gets a complete game is if he pitches a shutout. And that's using the 46-60 era settings, where the pitchers don't tire so quickly.

07-14-2003, 02:41 PM	#19
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Same here. It must come from having watch Jimy Williams manage so many Sox games a few years back. It seems to me there are a lot of big innings in OOTP and my pitchers have not demonstrated the ability to 'work out' of these jams. I also try and limit their pitch counts since I am using a 4 man rotation and 3 of my starters have C or D for endurance. I don't think I had a complete game in April. I am using the modern settings for my fictional NAPBA.

07-14-2003, 02:44 PM	#20
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	You may be right. I've noticed that it seems like there are those streaks. All of a sudden you'll see the pitcher get tagged by 3 straight hard hit balls and he just loses it.