Question on talent upgrades

Erithtotl · 06-25-2003, 03:14 PM

Assuming average coaching, is there any particular stat or rating on players that can help indicate the likelyhood of talent upgrades or downgrades? For example, is someone rated consistent more likely to avoid downgrades?

Or is it totally random?

sebastian0622 · 06-25-2003, 03:50 PM

Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I'm pretty sure consistency has nothing to do with player development. The consistency rating just determines how likely a player is to go on a hot or cold streak.

Erithtotl · 06-25-2003, 03:51 PM

Probably, I didn't think it did. I'm just wondering if there's ANY way to help predict talent changes.

sebastian0622 · 06-25-2003, 03:55 PM

From my experience, age is the best factor I can find. Young players (18-20) are more likely to change several times before they reach playing age because they still have 3-6 years in the minors, and are therefore more likely to decrease since most changes are for the worse. "Older" prospects (21-25) are less likely to change....making younger players more risky.

This is from my experience...I have only played a combined 10-20 seasons, so maybe some of the more experienced guys can qualify that.

tategter · 06-25-2003, 04:01 PM

Just like most things in OOTP, talent bumps and slides are fairly unpredictable.

Some things I'm pretty sure of:

If the guy is in the minors you won't be doing him any favors by promoting him too fast.
Serious injuries and advanced age will also tend to hurt a player's talent ratings.
Playing time, youth, and luck are you're best bets at getting a talent bump.

Salihna_Al_Assad · 06-25-2003, 11:39 PM

players's development, improvement and decrease of talent should be based only on stats..Meaning stat-sensible. ex. a player has a couple bad year then his rating should decrease, vice versa.
you might not want to make it too stat sensible but i think its the better way to go instead of just random.
Im not certain of that but when u draft a player, the computer already knowz the fate of this player, whether he'll be a bust or a big star.

ctorg · 06-26-2003, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Salihna_Al_Assad
players's development, improvement and decrease of talent should be based only on stats..Meaning stat-sensible. ex. a player has a couple bad year then his rating should decrease, vice versa.
you might not want to make it too stat sensible but i think its the better way to go instead of just random.
Im not certain of that but when u draft a player, the computer already knowz the fate of this player, whether he'll be a bust or a big star.

Why should a player's development be based on stats? Does a player get better by having a good season? It seems to me that the causality is reversed here.

Joshv02 · 06-26-2003, 09:01 AM

^^^^^
i agree (as if that mattered).

beorn · 06-26-2003, 09:48 AM

I think I read that starting with OOTP5 the velocity rating is supposed to be a predictor of a pitcher's talent bumps. I haven't noticed anything particular yet.

In my experience with earlier versions, there has always been a definite correlation between past bumps and future bumps. Those players who have gone either up or down in the last year are more likely to move again (either up or down) in the near future. I don't know whether this is still true in version 5, and I don't know whether this is some hidden career long rating, or a random roll for the current year.

William4192 · 06-27-2003, 10:21 AM

This question is a little off topic, but if a player has a drop in Homers can it ever go back up? Or once it starts heading down it stays down. The intent of this question is regardless of age.

ctorg · 06-27-2003, 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by William4192
This question is a little off topic, but if a player has a drop in Homers can it ever go back up? Or once it starts heading down it stays down. The intent of this question is regardless of age.

It can definitely go back up again.

William4192 · 06-27-2003, 10:46 AM

Thanks ctorg, I was a little unsure!

06-25-2003, 03:14 PM	#1
Erithtotl Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 330	Question on talent upgrades Assuming average coaching, is there any particular stat or rating on players that can help indicate the likelyhood of talent upgrades or downgrades? For example, is someone rated consistent more likely to avoid downgrades? Or is it totally random?

06-26-2003, 09:01 AM	#8
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	^^^^^ i agree (as if that mattered). __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

06-26-2003, 09:48 AM	#9
beorn All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: near Rochester, NY Posts: 1,269	I think I read that starting with OOTP5 the velocity rating is supposed to be a predictor of a pitcher's talent bumps. I haven't noticed anything particular yet. In my experience with earlier versions, there has always been a definite correlation between past bumps and future bumps. Those players who have gone either up or down in the last year are more likely to move again (either up or down) in the near future. I don't know whether this is still true in version 5, and I don't know whether this is some hidden career long rating, or a random roll for the current year. __________________ Commish of Dog Days Baseball Commish Pennant Chase Baseball League (PCBL) Commish and Blue Jays GM Extra Innings Baseball

06-27-2003, 10:21 AM	#10
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	This question is a little off topic, but if a player has a drop in Homers can it ever go back up? Or once it starts heading down it stays down. The intent of this question is regardless of age. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

06-27-2003, 10:46 AM	#12
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	Thanks ctorg, I was a little unsure! __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

06-25-2003, 03:50 PM	#2
sebastian0622 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,465	Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I'm pretty sure consistency has nothing to do with player development. The consistency rating just determines how likely a player is to go on a hot or cold streak.

06-25-2003, 03:51 PM	#3
Erithtotl Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 330	Probably, I didn't think it did. I'm just wondering if there's ANY way to help predict talent changes.

06-25-2003, 03:55 PM	#4
sebastian0622 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,465	From my experience, age is the best factor I can find. Young players (18-20) are more likely to change several times before they reach playing age because they still have 3-6 years in the minors, and are therefore more likely to decrease since most changes are for the worse. "Older" prospects (21-25) are less likely to change....making younger players more risky. This is from my experience...I have only played a combined 10-20 seasons, so maybe some of the more experienced guys can qualify that.

06-25-2003, 04:01 PM	#5
tategter Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 67	Just like most things in OOTP, talent bumps and slides are fairly unpredictable. Some things I'm pretty sure of: If the guy is in the minors you won't be doing him any favors by promoting him too fast. Serious injuries and advanced age will also tend to hurt a player's talent ratings. Playing time, youth, and luck are you're best bets at getting a talent bump.

06-25-2003, 11:39 PM	#6
Salihna_Al_Assad Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 26	players's development, improvement and decrease of talent should be based only on stats..Meaning stat-sensible. ex. a player has a couple bad year then his rating should decrease, vice versa. you might not want to make it too stat sensible but i think its the better way to go instead of just random. Im not certain of that but when u draft a player, the computer already knowz the fate of this player, whether he'll be a bust or a big star.