Next Fix Build - Estimated Date - This one is not stable enough to play

[malor]

When do you expect the next build to be complete?

With the numerous bugs I'm seeing, this one is not playable. Teams without personnel don't function well.

There is no reason to spend any serious time in the game right now because there is no long-term way to play because the save gets destroyed with teams blowing money when churning players and not hiring personnel.

This is my 12th year with the game. I know it will be fixed, but this is the worst release version yet with so many bugs. Disappointing that the standards of the game are going down.

Thanks.

[DanKreider]

Playing as Angels and half my ML team is on Minor League Contracts, the 3D play is buggy and inconsistent, there has been zero reply's to anyone questions about Online Play questions, almost like they are ignoring it willfully. No update or sign of additional Forums being added, no improvements it seems to signings, FA asks, and some very strange and persistent sim outcomes. I think this one is going to get a negative review this year from me.

[malor]

Originally Posted by DanKreider

Playing as Angels and half my ML team is on Minor League Contracts, the 3D play is buggy and inconsistent, there has been zero reply's to anyone questions about Online Play questions, almost like they are ignoring it willfully. No update or sign of additional Forums being added, no improvements it seems to signings, FA asks, and some very strange and persistent sim outcomes. I think this one is going to get a negative review this year from me.

Yes. Very obvious this release was a rush job with little to no testing performed. As you noted, basic features from previous versions are not working in this release.

Not a great start. Looks like they took two months to throw stuff together and released it to us, the users to test for them.

I almost did not buy early this year. Will be waiting for a mid-season sale next year. I'm not paying to be a tester.

Wasted this weekend fighting the game trying to play. That is not fun.

[Tycobbler]

Aside of all of that it is Sunday guys. Be patient okay. We all need a day off.

[malor]

I'm not patient. I paid $50 for a game that should have been playable from day one.

5 minutes in on Tuesday, while changing the global game setting to match those used in 26, I noticed the close window font was not readable due to white text on white background. That is something every tester should have seen dozens of times. With that bug, my expectations crashed, and so far, I have not been wrong.

Many other font issues making entire import screens unreadable (how that was missed is another mystery). So I chose to just sim and watch. First off season, AI signs and cut repeatedly many players, blowing through $30M in cash in less than 3 weeks. Sign player for $12M, claim a 2M waiver player and cut/release the $12m player. See another waiver player for 3M and cut the 2m one. Rinse and repeat. Between Free Agency and Start of Spring training, 30M lost. What made it worse, in my opinion, the players they kept signing were worse than the ones they released. I reviewed a few teams and saw the same.

Add in the bug where the AI is not filling the personnel roles makes game unplayable.

I'm seeing comments about players loading in long term saves and starting new online leagues. They will be sorry when they get messed up and they have to go backwards and start again.

[Karl Pagel Blues]

Originally Posted by malor

I'm not patient. I paid $50 for a game that should have been playable from day one.

5 minutes in on Tuesday, while changing the global game setting to match those used in 26, I noticed the close window font was not readable due to white text on white background. That is something every tester should have seen dozens of times. With that bug, my expectations crashed, and so far, I have not been wrong.

Many other font issues making entire import screens unreadable (how that was missed is another mystery). So I chose to just sim and watch. First off season, AI signs and cut repeatedly many players, blowing through $30M in cash in less than 3 weeks. Sign player for $12M, claim a 2M waiver player and cut/release the $12m player. See another waiver player for 3M and cut the 2m one. Rinse and repeat. Between Free Agency and Start of Spring training, 30M lost. What made it worse, in my opinion, the players they kept signing were worse than the ones they released. I reviewed a few teams and saw the same.

Add in the bug where the AI is not filling the personnel roles makes game unplayable.

I'm seeing comments about players loading in long term saves and starting new online leagues. They will be sorry when they get messed up and they have to go backwards and start again.

It would help if you can include screenshots of the transactions you are mentioning. I'm not seeing others reporting this issue.

[Karl Pagel Blues]

Originally Posted by DanKreider

I think this one is going to get a negative review this year from me.

The game was officially launched less than TWO DAYS AGO bro!

Go outside for a walk or read a book. [insult snipped]

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by DanKreider

Playing as Angels and half my ML team is on Minor League Contracts

Have you actually progressed through Opening Day? The game will give anyone on the roster major league contracts at that point...this is just how it handles allowing you to make that choice the first season.

some very strange and persistent sim outcomes

Care to elaborate at all on this?

[malor]

Originally Posted by Karl Pagel Blues

It would help if you can include screenshots of the transactions you are mentioning. I'm not seeing others reporting this issue.

Just run a MLB start as commish. Get to off season, pick a team and watch the transactions log. By February, they run through cash fast with the sign/release process. Easy to see when you check the accounts, salary and available cash to spend.
You do need to pay close attention as I said. If you don't look a the players salary when claimed or signed, you won't notice when released except for the change because they paid out the contract.

I was going to attach a league, but with them being 4-5GB because I save everything, that is not going to happen.

I've already deleted all seven leagues I've started so far. It's not hard to replicate, which is why I'm upset. Any tester should have caught if they looked.

[DanKreider]

Originally Posted by Karl Pagel Blues

The game was officially launched less than TWO DAYS AGO bro!

Go outside for a walk or read a book. You sound like a sad loser right now, to be honest.

A little harsh, but fair enough I suppose

[Karl Pagel Blues]

Originally Posted by malor

Just run a MLB start as commish. Get to off season, pick a team and watch the transactions log. By February, they run through cash fast with the sign/release process. Easy to see when you check the accounts, salary and available cash to spend.
You do need to pay close attention as I said. If you don't look a the players salary when claimed or signed, you won't notice when released except for the change because they paid out the contract.

I was going to attach a league, but with them being 4-5GB because I save everything, that is not going to happen.

I've already deleted all seven leagues I've started so far. It's not hard to replicate, which is why I'm upset. Any tester should have caught if they looked.

Take a simple screenshot (or several) of your league transactions so that we can see what you are talking about.

[snepp]

I'll confirm what he's saying, I've seen plenty of it in my now 9 years worth of the USBL.

You likely won't see it if you're not actively looking for it, but once you start digging into the sign, add to 40, waive/designate cycle it shows.

Pretty sure devs acknowledged it in a thread somewhere, and have a note referencing in the known issues thread.

[Karl Pagel Blues]

Originally Posted by snepp

I'll confirm what he's saying, I've seen plenty of it in my now 9 years worth of the USBL.

You likely won't see it if you're not actively looking for it, but once you start digging into the sign, add to 40, waive/designate cycle it shows.

Pretty sure devs acknowledged it in a thread somewhere, and have a note referencing in the known issues thread.

Okay, I think you're referring to this:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

We are still investigating some issues, and we get these as soon as we can into a patch:
-The AI seems a little too prone to sometimes releasing players that it doesn't have a use for, but who still have money left on their deals.

Fingers crossed that the sign and release issue can be resolved. That was a big problem with OOTP 26.

[suntower]

Originally Posted by Karl Pagel Blues

The game was officially launched less than TWO DAYS AGO bro!

Go outside for a walk or read a book. You sound like a sad loser right now, to be honest.

Are we serious? Stop defending terrible dev work (or lack thereof)

[HafTaLuvIt]

This board lists over 200 OOTP play testers.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/showgroups.php

If there really were that many 27 wouldn't be the way it is. How many are there really? Raise your hands folks!

The game isn't ready. And some people are dressed for the occasion.

[Rain King]

Nobody is a full-time beta tester. Testers do what they can in their own spare time. That list has built up across years and is not representative of just current/active testers.

[WhiskyTango]

Originally Posted by suntower

Are we serious? Stop defending terrible dev work (or lack thereof)

Since the sale to com2us what is also being acknowledged - even indirectly - is the ownership of OOTP. OOTPD is owned by com2us. So it's no longer about rallying around Markus and the boys. Is it heartening when the new ownership doesn't seem to have much investment in improving and promoting the game?


And to be fair to the OP - computer-controlled teams hiring and managing personnel is hardly a new feature still working out kinks.

[malor]

Originally Posted by Karl Pagel Blues

The game was officially launched less than TWO DAYS AGO bro!

Go outside for a walk or read a book. You sound like a sad loser right now, to be honest.

Since beta release (Tues.) I've started and simmed 12 games through 1-2 seasons each with 2-3 reaching season 4 when the issues I reported were obvious to me as game breaking and I stopped playing.

I expect a game to be playable when released, which this version is not.

That is what we pay for as customers. I did spend many hours tracking and noting issues, which I reported on the technical site. Only to be told, wait, we'll fix them, or we can't fix everything before release. That attitude is not acceptable. From a developer and certainly not from a fellow player like yourself.

If you want to pay to be a beta tester, that is fine, I have no issues with you doing so.

But I will not stand for it and voice my opinion. When you spend your money, you have a voice.

[malor]

Originally Posted by Karl Pagel Blues

Take a simple screenshot (or several) of your league transactions so that we can see what you are talking about.

Due to disk space, I only keep 2 games at a time and when I found the game breaking errors, I deleted all games and put the game aside until fixes are deployed.

As I stated in other threads/posts, if you want to recreate, it is easy to do, just run a standard MLB and watch. Takes less than 10 minutes to sim a season and start watching the offseason moves. Spend 45 minutes yourself testing and you will see the issues.

I followed the Cubs closely. After noticing the issues, I followed the Dodgers, Twins and Athletics. Teams with and without money. In 2026-2027 offseason during my first watch, Dodgers wasted 22M dollars.

Let the developers do the work if you don't want to do it. I'm not using any more of my time. I'll come back after the fix is noted in update log.

[malor]

Originally Posted by HafTaLuvIt

This board lists over 200 OOTP play testers.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/showgroups.php

If there really were that many 27 wouldn't be the way it is. How many are there really? Raise your hands folks!

The game isn't ready. And some people are dressed for the occasion.

200+ Play testers or 195 players who want to say they played the early version without actually ever reporting any bugs and 10-15 that actually tested as their limited time permitted, opening bugs they found, but not playing deep enough to find any actual large bugs.