AI not filling Personnel Positions

[malor]

For those of you planning any long term starts.

BEWARE. Don't waste your time setting up an planned long-term leagues until it corrected.

I've reported a bug in Technical thread and documented how it continues to get worse.

I'm simply simming and watching. The AI as the sim goes on each year, does not fill all vacant personnel positions. More teams and more positions each season.

[Benz0709]

I think this is most likely tied to the issue of personnel turning down contract offers and requesting more salary despite being offered what they're asking. AI simply offers what they're asking, but they ask for more each time, preventing an offer from ever getting accepted.

I play in GM only non-commissioner mode in brewers save, I fired the 1B coach at beginning of save because his attributes were terrible, manager Pat Murphy controls hiring of base coaches, the ai keeps offering to same coach over and over getting rejected each time. Month into season and 1B coach is vacant.

[malor]

Could be. But does affect long term games. My warning is for players starting online leagues or long-term saves of their own. This is not the time for that. Wait for fixes first.

[snepp]

Originally Posted by Benz0709

I think this is most likely tied to the issue of personnel turning down contract offers and requesting more salary despite being offered what they're asking. AI simply offers what they're asking, but they ask for more each time, preventing an offer from ever getting accepted.

I play in GM only non-commissioner mode in brewers save, I fired the 1B coach at beginning of save because his attributes were terrible, manager Pat Murphy controls hiring of base coaches, the ai keeps offering to same coach over and over getting rejected each time. Month into season and 1B coach is vacant.

This is my assumption as well. I've spent a bunch of commish mode time trolling the personnel offers and routinely see multiples of identical rejected offers.

I didn't initially see any problems with positions not being filled, possibly due to the enormous number of free agent personnel that are available in the USBL quickstart. I'm now 8 years into the save and teams on average have 2 of their 5 minor league manager positions unfilled.

[Ratbelly]

I saw this last night as well and came to comment.

I converted my 21 year save and started playing, but looks like i may need to wait a few patches to let things get settled.

[malor]

Originally Posted by Ratbelly

I saw this last night as well and came to comment.

I converted my 21 year save and started playing, but looks like i may need to wait a few patches to let things get settled.

As long as you don't lose the original league, you can import and play with understanding once many fixes are made you can import again as a new game.

[Ratbelly]

Yeah, I will just stick with 26 for now and wait for this to brew a bit longer. Or do some test saves just to play around.

[malor]

Originally Posted by Ratbelly

Yeah, I will just stick with 26 for now and wait for this to brew a bit longer. Or do some test saves just to play around.

I've learned in past releases to never spend time on any league I care about until at least the first month of fixes are completed.

I spend my time simming and watching different teams. Once I think the major release bugs are fixed, I will sim 8-10 years and take over the Cubs at a time when they fire there manager to not upset the balance. Then enjoy rebuilding for a season or two.

[snepp]

I like to spend the first couple months (or more) experimenting with things that I wouldn't typically do in a save I heavily invest time into.

Some weird pro/rel setups, maybe dramatically different statistical environments, etc.

Works out fine for someone like me that never plays the MLB setup.

[kidd_05_u2]

Nothing worse than a poster who always throws around bad information.

You know what happens when the AI fails to fill all personnel positions in the minors?
Nothing.

It is perfectly fine to start a save right now.

[snepp]

Do minor league coaches have zero impact on player development whatsoever?

If they don't, I'd really like to be directed to where that is stated.

[Rain King]

I think there are probably generic/average effects for these positions when they haven't been hired in a similar way to if someone chooses to disable personnel (but do not know that for certain).

[Lukas Berger]

This will be fixed in the next patch.

[brandonmuc]

Will it apply to current saves or will you need to restart? Thanks for the fix!

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by brandonmuc

Will it apply to current saves or will you need to restart? Thanks for the fix!

It should apply to saves in progress afaik.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by brandonmuc

Will it apply to current saves or will you need to restart? Thanks for the fix!

I see this question a lot, but 95+% of the bug fixes they release can be applied to existing saves. I don't see any reason why this would be different. They are adjusting things so that teams are able to fill personnel positions. If you think about what is being fixed that can typically inform you as to whether a new save would be necessary.

[brandonmuc]

That makes a lot of sense on the current saves. Thank you!

[malor]

Originally Posted by kidd_05_u2

Nothing worse than a poster who always throws around bad information.

You know what happens when the AI fails to fill all personnel positions in the minors?
Nothing.

It is perfectly fine to start a save right now.

So stop spreading around bad info.

No personnel in the minors for AI teams mean their players do not receive training while the human ones do, assuming you fill you personnel positions. So that means you get an advantage and better development of players in the long term and the AI gets worse. Great way to cheat the AI. It needs all the help it can get. Making them play without personnel is not a good thing.

[malor]

Originally Posted by Rain King

I think there are probably generic/average effects for these positions when they haven't been hired in a similar way to if someone chooses to disable personnel (but do not know that for certain).

The issue is that if they are missing on the AI teams and in the Human organization, the human player receives the benefit of better player development long term while they suffer. If you want to cheat the AI, go ahead and do so.

[atlbrave1]

Originally Posted by malor

The issue is that if they are missing on the AI teams and in the Human organization, the human player receives the benefit of better player development long term while they suffer. If you want to cheat the AI, go ahead and do so.

How much better? Can you point me to your test where you set up all teams with the exact same rosters, then simulated multiple saves of seasons with various personnel setups so that you were able to measure the impact of coaching on development? Did you also account for any impact Talent Change randomness had outside of the coaching? Also I am assuming that you have also determined that the AI is always hiring the best coaches possible for those filled positions since you didn't mention any issues there. Just want to make sure I understand the exact impact this issue is having on my sims that I am setting up.