Explain the new ~600 max rating to me please

[Paul Reuschel's Mustache]

First of all - thank you OOTP Team!!!

Quick question: One one of the changes with 26 is "Updated internal ratings scale upper limits (now ~600 max, instead of 550)".

Starting a standard 2025 game and using the "show ratings > Max = Yes" setting, I'm confused about the following.

Ohtani's overall and potential power is at 505 (600 max) and his power rating is 80 (on the 20-80 scale). But shouldn't it be below 80 since 505 is well below 600? If I increase his power to 555 (600 max), his rating is 85 (i.e. greater than max), even though 555 is 45 points below the max of 600.

Judge's overall and potential power is at 518 and his rating is 85. Again, 518 is well below 600, but on the 20-80, he is above max. If I increase his power to 565, his rating is now 90.

I'm probably missing something, but if the maximum rating is now 600 and the maximum player rating is still 80 on the 20-80 scale, what determines if a player exceeds the maximum 80 rating?

Let's look at Paul Skenes. Starting out a standard 2025 game, his fastball rates 85 on the 20-80 scale, and his slider gets an 80. But looking at the raw numbers, fastball and slider are both well below 500 - not even close to 600! If I increase his fastball to 555 and slider to 525 (current and potential), his rating is an incredible 95 on the 20-80 scale.

Summary: Was the bump from max 550 to 600 incorporated into how the individual player ratings are shown? Or is there something else at play that I don't understand? Thanks in advance for any and all clarifications!

[venflaalachi]

Aren’t these relative to other players in the league? So all your examples would be of the top players in that particular skill

[Matt Arnold]

The "max" has always been above the max (if that makes sense). So a "500" in the internal scale is around an 80, and basically the 501-600 section are the ratings above 80 (give or take some rounding). So yeah, the new 600 "internal maximum" maps to like a 95 on the 20-80 scale.

For Skenes, the value you see on pitches are the raw ratings combined with other values (velocity for FB, movement is mixed in for some other pitches), so you don't need a 500 internal FB rating to have a 500 view FB rating if they are a high velo arm.

In the grand scheme of things, the switch from 550 to 600 means very little. It'd only really come in for Babe Ruth-like players, but it was moreso done so that we had a little bit of extra flexibility in those ranges, so that the jump from like a 500 to a 505 wasn't as massive when players "overrun" that lower internal value.

[Paul Reuschel's Mustache]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

The "max" has always been above the max (if that makes sense). So a "500" in the internal scale is around an 80, and basically the 501-600 section are the ratings above 80 (give or take some rounding). So yeah, the new 600 "internal maximum" maps to like a 95 on the 20-80 scale.

For Skenes, the value you see on pitches are the raw ratings combined with other values (velocity for FB, movement is mixed in for some other pitches), so you don't need a 500 internal FB rating to have a 500 view FB rating if they are a high velo arm.

In the grand scheme of things, the switch from 550 to 600 means very little. It'd only really come in for Babe Ruth-like players, but it was moreso done so that we had a little bit of extra flexibility in those ranges, so that the jump from like a 500 to a 505 wasn't as massive when players "overrun" that lower internal value.

Thanks Matt, this helps a lot.

"...the new 600 "internal maximum" maps to like a 95 on the 20-80 scale"

I take that to mean it's going to be extraordinarily rare for a player to have an internal rating of >550 with the new max of 600.

The under-the-hood numbers for Skenes confused me in light of the change to an internal max of 600.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by Paul Reuschel's Mustache

Thanks Matt, this helps a lot.

"...the new 600 "internal maximum" maps to like a 95 on the 20-80 scale"

I take that to mean it's going to be extraordinarily rare for a player to have an internal rating of >550 with the new max of 600.

The under-the-hood numbers for Skenes confused me in light of the change to an internal max of 600.

As mentioned, the pitch ratings are different to the other ratings. For one, the view rating (the 85) incorporates other aspects like velocity. Also, just the way they work and add together, they don't have as direct a map.

You can think of it a little bit like "Skenes has a slightly above average fastball, for those players who throw 99-101", which is why his FB rating you see is so high.

[Paul Reuschel's Mustache]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

As mentioned, the pitch ratings are different to the other ratings. For one, the view rating (the 85) incorporates other aspects like velocity. Also, just the way they work and add together, they don't have as direct a map.

You can think of it a little bit like "Skenes has a slightly above average fastball, for those players who throw 99-101", which is why his FB rating you see is so high.

Okay, got it. As a numbers guy, I like to tinker a bit with some of the ratings before starting a new game. What you say answers all of my questions. You and the team have done incredible work - thank you!