Prospect promotion incentive? Prospect is listed ineligible.

[Sweed]

This is an imported v25 league, date of import was the day before offseason started. It is currently mid-November and while looking at some of my players I noted there is a Prospect Promotion Incentive line on the player's contract screen that says if a player is eligible. I do have PPI turned on in my league options.

I have the number 2 prospect on the league top 100. He is ready skill wise to make the jump to MLB in the upcoming season. On the PPI line he is listed as "ineligible". As I look through all of my team's top prospects all are listed as "ineligible" from Rookie ball al the way to AAA. Why?

1. Is this a timing thing that hasn't triggered. IE, maybe it doesn't trigger until the preseason starts, or some other time?

2. Could it be a glitch because it's an imported league?

So I'm asking for some clarity on how the PPI works.
I'm guessing it's #1 and will correct itself at the appropriate time. But if it is a glitch I'd rather know now so I can report it in the support thread.

Thanks.

[Sweed]

Going to bump this and hope for an answer. With no response to this thread, or any other threads on it I can find, I have to believe this is working for most?

Since the last post I went down my League's top 100 prospect list and none of the players are "eligible" for PPI. So it's not just my team but the whole league.

Back to "it will trigger later" or a glitch on import? I play day to day in game, free agents have filed, and I'm almost to Winter Meetings meaning contracts have turned over to the next season and nothing has changed in regard to PPI eligibility on each player's contract tab. I should get to preseason today or tomorrow and guessing it will change then?

If not I'll open this conversation in the support forums.

Thanks.

[Baconi]

Did you promote him to MLB yet? The incentive is for players who spend their entire rookie season in the majors, so maybe they only show up as eligible once they're promoted?

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Baconi

Did you promote him to MLB yet? The incentive is for players who spend their entire rookie season in the majors, so maybe they only show up as eligible once they're promoted?

No, I'm still in off season. I'll bet you're right. I think I was overthinking it... well maybe underthinking it

Thanks.

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by Sweed

No, I'm still in off season. I'll bet you're right. I think I was overthinking it... well maybe underthinking it

Thanks.

This hadn't been on my radar but I am doing a test now and I think you might have found something- will flag it. Just started a new sim, skipped a few days to Opening Day (to be sure) and promoted Alan Roden to the Jays (had not even been on the 40-man yet, let alone had any ML experience). It is now July 1st and he is still showing as 'ineligible' on the Contract screen.

I also juiced his ratings a ton in the editor to make him a lock for ROY so will see what happens at the end of the year and report back, but am also flagging this to the devs as I agree with you the Contract screen seems to be incorrect at minimum.

[Carplos]

They also have to win an award for you to get the incentive. Not sure which awards apply in OOTP. (My guess would be batter, pitcher or rookie?)

[MathBandit]

Update: Roden won both ROY and MVP and I did not get a PPI pick after the first round (my R2 pick is the comp pick for Bichette signing elsewhere).

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by MathBandit

Update: Roden won both ROY and MVP and I did not get a PPI pick after the first round (my R2 pick is the comp pick for Bichette signing elsewhere).

Thanks for sharing your results.

[Bluenoser]

I've brought this to the Devs attention in the Beta Forum.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

I've brought this to the Devs attention in the Beta Forum.

Thank you.

[Will Beh]

The eligibility is based on a number of items like the rookie status, prospect number, and importantly here the service time. If a player has not yet accumulated enough service time they won't be eligible. I suppose I could clarify that text in the case there has not been enough service time to say instead "eligible after X more service days" or something like that

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by Will Beh

The eligibility is based on a number of items like the rookie status, prospect number, and importantly here the service time. If a player has not yet accumulated enough service time they won't be eligible. I suppose I could clarify that text in the case there has not been enough service time to say instead "eligible after X more service days" or something like that

In my case Roden showed 'Ineligible' all the way through the season up to winning MVP, and I didn't get any draft pick comp.

[Will Beh]

Originally Posted by MathBandit

In my case Roden showed 'Ineligible' all the way through the season up to winning MVP, and I didn't get any draft pick comp.

I'm not sure, the rules are quite complex I'd need to see more of his contract history, prospect ranking history and such. I see from one of your screenshots you posted he was ineligible after 105 games, which is absolutely correct in that context since that's not enough service time.
*EDIT* and just checked, Alan Roden is not ranked as a top100 prospect in a new standard game, which is the most essential criteria that has to be met to be eligible

[Will Beh]

For everyone unclear on the rules, since it's quite complicated, here's a good summary
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stor...s-quirks-more/

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by Will Beh

I'm not sure, the rules are quite complex I'd need to see more of his contract history, prospect ranking history and such. I see from one of your screenshots you posted he was ineligible after 105 games, which is absolutely correct in that context since that's not enough service time.
*EDIT* and just checked, Alan Roden is not ranked as a top100 prospect in a new standard game, which is the most essential criteria that has to be met to be eligible

That'll do it; thanks. Didn't realize that was there.

Kind of annoying that MLB is fine with teams manipulating service time of everyone else then, lol.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Will Beh

The eligibility is based on a number of items like the rookie status, prospect number, and importantly here the service time. If a player has not yet accumulated enough service time they won't be eligible. I suppose I could clarify that text in the case there has not been enough service time to say instead "eligible after X more service days" or something like that

Somehow in real life I missed it when this rule was implemented. IOW until it was announced as being a part of OOTP I had no idea it existed. When I read it in the new feature list I had assumed it was for any rookie that had not yet accrued MLB service time. As MathBandit says, it's "kind of annoying" for the "small guy" that can never qualify. It is what it is.

Reading the link to how PPI works in real life I'm not sure there's enough room to try to put a clarification on that page. lol

Anyway thanks Will for the link and explanation.

[Will Beh]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Somehow in real life I missed it when this rule was implemented. IOW until it was announced as being a part of OOTP I had no idea it existed. When I read it in the new feature list I had assumed it was for any rookie that had not yet accrued MLB service time. As MathBandit says, it's "kind of annoying" for the "small guy" that can never qualify. It is what it is.

Reading the link to how PPI works in real life I'm not sure there's enough room to try to put a clarification on that page. lol

Anyway thanks Will for the link and explanation.

My pleasure
I can definitely clarify the reason for ineligibility on that screen though, I'll look into adding that.

[greenwoodguy]

Originally Posted by Will Beh

My pleasure
I can definitely clarify the reason for ineligibility on that screen though, I'll look into adding that.

This would be an extremely helpful clarification. Until I found this thread, I assumed my save was just bugged because I figured it would show some kind of indicator that if I were to call up a top prospect, they would be eligible for PPI instead of just saying "ineligible" until they've accrued the service time. So glad I found this thread!