No matter what I do, everything is wrong

[bgaz33]

New to the game, and it seems to be very frustrating. Pitching to contact with an extreme groundball pitcher results in mostly liners and flyballs somehow. Gerrit Cole gives up 6 in the first to a very bad lineup (including a guy with 40 contact 40 power going 4/4 that game 3 doubles and a home run) while Nick Lodolo carves up my much better lineup and takes a perfect game into the 7th. My batters with good rating at avoiding k's strike out quite a bit even to poor pitching.

Whenever I try to pitch around guys it results in plenty of hits and a crazy amount of home runs. Almost every time I score and take the lead the very next inning my pitcher blows it regardless of their rating.

I just cannot do anything right it seems. Not really having a good time

[Brad K]

The game is set up to prioritize output close to historical. You're not going be able to change that much fiddling with pitching tactics. This may not be true with a totally fictional league but I don't play that way so I don't know.

This is a strategic level game, not a tactical level one. I wonder if maybe it was a bad idea to include features that imply it's a tactical game. Clearly doing so has affected your expectations for the game. You're not alone.

[Rain King]

Baseball is a game of a lot of ups and downs.

The nature of the game is that less talented players can often outperform more talented players over short time frames.

How far into your season are you?

[jksander]

When starting out in this game it's helpful to tinker with the settings and sim more quickly until you get the feel for how the game fully works ... doesn't hurt to keep the tutorials on etc for a while too. It took me a lot of time to adjust when I first started playing, but once you get past that steep learning curve it's addictive as hell. A lot of people find that joining online leagues where you're playing against real people provides the most juice ... I'm one of the players who enjoys that AND the offline aspects, but everyone's individual mileage will vary.

I hope you'll stick around and keep playing ... if you have any questions, most folks in this forum are incredibly helpful.

[bgaz33]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Baseball is a game of a lot of ups and downs.

The nature of the game is that less talented players can often outperform more talented players over short time frames.

How far into your season are you?

About 75 games and Juan Soto is hitting less than .200 with 3 home runs. I'm bout to scrap and start again.

I understand that in short sample sizes bad players can play well but its been almost every series. My guys with high avoid k stats strike out 2 times a game and my guys with good contact/power stats dont hit the ball well. At least I can steal I guess. I'm just clearly not understanding how this game works. Might just cut my losses and remove it from my library

[Rain King]

Can you describe how you are going about each game? What are you generally choosing as your strategy for each plate appearance?

Do the statistics for the league in general seem off in any way? Can you provide a screenshot of your team's statistics (i.e. does just Juan Soto feel off or does everyone)?

This game has proven to be a very good simulation of baseball with many satisfied customers, but there are certainly many options and it is possible to make a change that will throw things off.

Most posters in these forums are happy to help with any general questions you have but the more information you can give us about your settings and how you are going about things can lead to what, if anything, could be going on.

[Mr. Marlin]

Honestly this is why I love fictional play. Using real players come with preconceived notions of performance. To us Juan Soto is a generational player. To OOTP he's a data file with weighted numerical variables that determine his performance. In the long run players the game rates as "good" perform good. But it can be frustrating and even immersion breaking when real life good players don't play good in the game. Playing the game with fictional players removes the "expectation bias" that can break immersion.

But if you keep playing their performance will turn around. Pay attention to pitcher's splits because the game does.

[Garlon]

What season are you playing?

This sounds like league a setup issue for a player like Juan Soto to be performing so poorly.

[bgaz33]

Originally Posted by Mr. Marlin

Honestly this is why I love fictional play. Using real players come with preconceived notions of performance. To us Juan Soto is a generational player. To OOTP he's a data file with weighted numerical variables that determine his performance. In the long run players the game rates as "good" perform good. But it can be frustrating and even immersion breaking when real life good players don't play good in the game. Playing the game with fictional players removes the "expectation bias" that can break immersion.

But if you keep playing their performance will turn around. Pay attention to pitcher's splits because the game does.

Yeah but hes an 80 overall with pretty solid batting ratings so he should be batting better. My preconceived bias has nothing to do with it when I can see his ratings

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by bgaz33

About 75 games and Juan Soto is hitting less than .200 with 3 home runs. I'm bout to scrap and start again.

I understand that in short sample sizes bad players can play well but its been almost every series. My guys with high avoid k stats strike out 2 times a game and my guys with good contact/power stats dont hit the ball well. At least I can steal I guess. I'm just clearly not understanding how this game works. Might just cut my losses and remove it from my library

You have conflicting goals here. You're unhappy that players aren't preforming to historical and yet you're trying to change their performance through pitching tactics. So what is it you really want?

You will get closest to historical perforamnce by selecting Replay which includes historical lineups and transactions. You will get the greatest variation from historical by selecting Career which uses the development engine and does not base future ratings on real life stats. In between is default. I use that mode with both recalc and development on. For me it gives a good mix of historical and alternate but plausible outcomes.

But in any setting there are no caps or floors on player performance. Randomness is king. So players will occasionally far over perform or under perform reality even in replay mode.

With recalc and development on I once had Tony Armas hit .325 one year and .179 the next.

[bgaz33]

Originally Posted by Garlon

What season are you playing?

This sounds like league a setup issue for a player like Juan Soto to be performing so poorly.

I'm playing the normal season and didn't really change any of the league settings.

[bgaz33]

Originally Posted by Brad K

You have conflicting goals here. You're unhappy that players aren't preforming to historical and yet you're trying to change their performance through pitching tactics. So what is it you really want?

You will get closest to historical perforamnce by selecting Replay which includes historical lineups and transactions. You will get the greatest variation from historical by selecting Career which uses the development engine and does not base future ratings on real life stats. In between is default. I use that mode with both recalc and development on. For me it gives a good mix of historical and alternate but plausible outcomes.

But in any setting there are no caps or floors on player performance. Randomness is king. So players will occasionally far over perform or under perform reality even in replay mode.

With recalc and development on I once had Tony Armas hit .325 one year and .179 the next.

so if the game is completely random then why do players even have ratings? I don't care about how theyve played previously I just don't understand how players with lower ratings (both pitchers and hitters) consistently outperform my better rated players. Like what is the point of having top rated pitchers when they're giving up 6-10 runs a game to lineups with mid-bad contact/power ratings?

Plus you're trying to say I care about previous performance when the post you quoted is ONLY about their ratings in the game

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by bgaz33

so if the game is completely random then why do players even have ratings? I don't care about how theyve played previously I just don't understand how players with lower ratings (both pitchers and hitters) consistently outperform my better rated players. Like what is the point of having top rated pitchers when they're giving up 6-10 runs a game to lineups with mid-bad contact/power ratings?

Plus you're trying to say I care about previous performance when the post you quoted is ONLY about their ratings in the game

The center point of the randomization is their ratings. Performances are distributed around their ratings.

You don't have poor players "consistently outperform(ing)" better rated players on a 75 game sample.

I'm trying to help you understand the game. I've explained how you can get closest to historical performance. Perhaps you should try that.

[Rain King]

I would suggest ignoring Brad. He generally has ulterior motives around here.

If you could answer these questions we might find something there.

Originally Posted by Rain King

Can you describe how you are going about each game? What are you generally choosing as your strategy for each plate appearance?

Do the statistics for the league in general seem off in any way? Can you provide a screenshot of your team's statistics (i.e. does just Juan Soto feel off or does everyone)?
.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Rain King

I would suggest ignoring Brad. He generally has ulterior motives around here.

If you could answer these questions we might find something there.

What is wrong with what I posted? Opinions about generality don't cut it.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by Brad K

What is wrong with what I posted? Opinions about generality don't cut it.

You have not been helpful in the least, you brought up historical and fictional for no apparent reason and are trying to get into a game design discussion (because all you really want to do is rail about how the game approaches historical without truly understanding it or having any good alternative solutions) in a thread where a new user is just trying to figure out if they are doing something wrong. Also, you constantly say things that make no sense like "Opinions about generality don't cut it".

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Rain King

You have not been helpful in the least, you brought up historical and fictional for no apparent reason and are trying to get into a game design discussion (because all you really want to do is rail about how the game approaches historical without truly understanding it or having any good alternative solutions) in a thread where a new user is just trying to figure out if they are doing something wrong. Also, you constantly say things that make no sense like "Opinions about generality don't cut it".

You're reading an awful lot into what I posted. You're quite the mind reader.

I identified a replay as the way to get the most accurate results. That's exactly what Garlon recommends.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by Brad K

You're reading an awful lot into what I posted. You're quite the mind reader.

I identified a replay as the way to get the most accurate results. That's exactly what Garlon recommends.

The OP is not doing a historical replay. They are pretty obviously playing 2024 with the Yankees (i.e. Gerrit Cole & Juan Soto).

There was absolutely no reason to bring up anything Garlon recommends for historical play within this thread.

You've completely derailed the thread because OP had to try to respond to your nonsense.

bgaz33, I would recommend putting Brad on ignore, creating a new thread with as much information about your save as you can. Maybe try a new save first just to see if you get similar results and I assure you that these forums will try to help you with your actual questions/issues.

[Brad K]

Garlon posted to the thread blaming the OPs problems on his settings. Do you think he didn't have his recommended settings at hand?

You are trying to make something out of nothing. You've picked a poor spot to harass me.

You are an insider and on that basis are viewed by many as a knowledgeable authority. Due to your closeness to the throne you're viewed by them as a semi-official spokesman for OOTP. As an insider you have the implicit backing of OOTP. Your posts represent not just yourself but also OOTP to a great degree. Your behavior is not appropriate for someone in your position.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Garlon posted to the thread blaming the OPs problems on his settings. Do you think he didn't have his recommended settings at hand?

You are trying to make something out of nothing. You've picked a poor spot to harass me.

You are an insider and on that basis are viewed by many as a knowledgeable authority. Due to your closeness to the throne you're viewed by them as a semi-official spokesman for OOTP. As an insider you have the implicit backing of OOTP. Your posts represent not just yourself but also OOTP to a great degree. Your behavior is not appropriate for someone in your position.

You, for some reason, have some level of contempt for this game and its' developers and it oozes out of every post you make.

You spend most of your time here trying to undermine trust in how the game is designed, usually taking things completely off topic to get there. You troll and then make yourself out to be the victim when called out. How is your buddy Edward doing?

I am no more of an insider than most long-term posters of these forums. I certainly have no authority which should be obvious since you still have an account.

I am also not aware of any implicit backing, but I do believe reputations are generally earned. Unfortunately, the newer users you tend to reply to don't have the benefit of knowing your posting history.