Ways Around a No Trade Clause?

Ross333 · 07-17-2024, 03:17 AM

I am playing a league that I started with a fresh draft in the 1969 season. I am going into the1989 season and want to trade George Brett who has a no trade clause. Currently he will not accept a trade to any other team. Any tips on ways to prompt him to accept a trade to at least some teams?

I’ve had another player, Pedro Guerrero, also with a no trade clause, suddenly allow trade to a list of teams after previously not allowing any. Previously I’ve had a player, Robin Yount, who had a no trade clause, had a list of teams he’d accept a trade to, and as time passed he went back to no list/not allowing any trade.

It would be nice to be able to offer the player money or something to waive the no trade clause.

snepp · 07-17-2024, 03:36 AM

I've read that pissing a player off can lead to them waiving their NTC, no clue if true.

kborsuk · 07-17-2024, 07:17 PM

Honestly I've always gone to the "force the trade" button. its not entirely honest but if you feel the offer you're making is truly fair, then your conscience can be clean

Brad K · 07-17-2024, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kborsuk

Honestly I've always gone to the "force the trade" button. its not entirely honest but if you feel the offer you're making is truly fair, then your conscience can be clean

How is it ever fair for the player with the no trade clause?

kborsuk · 07-18-2024, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

How is it ever fair for the player with the no trade clause?

I usually only take the other team's perspective into account. haha im old school like that.

Ross333 · 07-18-2024, 05:25 PM

Thanks. I'm playing with no development and no personality traits if that matters. Brett's contract also called for starting line-up, and I've pulled him out of that in my pre season progress. I can't figure out what made Guerrero change his no trade/allow trade to certain teams, and I'd like to promote Brett with being reasonable, accepting a trade to a team he can start on.

mytreds · 07-18-2024, 06:00 PM

Release him.

Ross333 · 07-18-2024, 10:32 PM

I could release him, but then I eat two years of his contract that are remaining.

aks62 · 07-20-2024, 03:22 PM

My strategies for players with NTCs:

1. Put the player on the trade block. I don't necessarily agree with the game logic this way, but players' transactions morale can change if they are put on the block (i.e. the players know when they are listed there). Doing so usually isn't enough on its own, but I've found it can be in a select few cases.

2. Waive/DFA him. Usually this angers the player enough that this will lead him to consider at least a handful of teams for a trade. Do note that, if you aren't willing to risk losing the player for nothing, you shouldn't do this. Waiver claims do not get taken into account against a player's NTC, at least in OOTP (idk if the same is true IRL). If you want to have your cake and eat it, too — that is, get rid of the player while also getting value back, assuming he has any — waivers can be a risky move.

3. If he clears waivers and is eligible to be outrighted off the 40-man, send him to the minors. This likewise will anger the player to the point that he may want a trade. (This is also a great strategy to compel any overpaid/declining vets on long-term deals to consider retiring at the end of the season.)

4. If your player clears waivers but cannot be demoted, rinse and repeat. Put him back on your active roster and immediately waive/DFA him again. The second iteration of this can anger a player enough that it becomes the inflection point. I will note that this strategy was more effective pre-OOTP 25, though I'm not sure if this was something that was explicitly changed between game versions.

5. Wait it out. My most recent player who made this more and more difficult was a guy who wouldn't waive his NTC despite me taking all the above steps throughout the entire offseason. However, after I waived him on Opening Day, he became willing to entertain a trade for the first time, and I successfully moved him as a result. The same strategy can also work in July/as you approach the trade deadline, if your player won't consider a trade at or immediately after Opening Day.

6. If you're midway through your season, and you can't send the player to the minors (whether via demotion or outrighting), bench him. He will get frustrated with the lack of playing time and this can be a catalyst for considering a trade after a couple in-game weeks of riding the pine.

Sometimes, there's nothing you can do. Even if a player hates his role or is upset with being on a losing team, he sometimes prioritizes the familiarity of staying with his current club over seeing if the grass is greener elsewhere (which is true to real life, too). If you want a shot at it, though, I think going through these aforementioned steps positions you to do so in the best possible way.

Ross333 · 07-21-2024, 02:45 AM

Thank you! I tried some of the above before seeing your note, and Mr. Brett would not budge. I cut him on opening day for nothing. No trade clause lesson learned!

GTAltman · 07-25-2024, 12:31 PM

You could always make a "waiver" trade.

Put the player on DFA Waivers and work out a deal for someone to claim him and give you compensation back - going back to the Waiver trades of the 80's and 90's for moves that were made in August, after the trading deadline of July 30, 19xx

Two things to be aware of - another team could claim him and/or this may only work in a human league.

md40022 · 07-25-2024, 12:37 PM

if you ever want to get George Brett mad enough to want to be traded, just tell him that you've personally never **** (pooped) your pants.

(we've all seen that video, right? It's only the greatest baseball video ever)

Bobfather · 07-26-2024, 10:24 PM

Go to edit under contract unselected no trade clause.

NoOne · 07-26-2024, 10:45 PM

Never give a no trade clause. Pay more to avoid it when necessary.

I'm very strict about age and long-term contracts.. i also don't allow this 15-year term nonsense. I limit max contract to 7 and testing out 5 this year. I don't want a bunch of teams saddled with horrid contracts and they can't seem to avoid them - even worse than how incompetent the real mlb GMs are, lol... byproduct of how easily they are fired so when the going gets tought, they get desparate and hobble the team finanicially for 3-5 years after they are fired.

Biggest way to avoid no-win situations is to plan accordingly to minimimze the opportunity of such a context. You can't eliminate bad choices, but you can minimize them greatly.

07-17-2024, 03:17 AM	#1
Ross333 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 104	Ways Around a No Trade Clause? I am playing a league that I started with a fresh draft in the 1969 season. I am going into the1989 season and want to trade George Brett who has a no trade clause. Currently he will not accept a trade to any other team. Any tips on ways to prompt him to accept a trade to at least some teams? I’ve had another player, Pedro Guerrero, also with a no trade clause, suddenly allow trade to a list of teams after previously not allowing any. Previously I’ve had a player, Robin Yount, who had a no trade clause, had a list of teams he’d accept a trade to, and as time passed he went back to no list/not allowing any trade. It would be nice to be able to offer the player money or something to waive the no trade clause.

07-18-2024, 06:00 PM	#7
mytreds All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 1,182	Release him. __________________ “Baseball isn’t statistics; it’s Joe DiMaggio rounding second.” “Once, centuries ago, it was the beloved national pastime of the Americas, Wesley. Abandoned by a society that prized fast food and faster games. Lost to impatience.” “ The term ‘WAR’ should be replaced by ‘WAG’. WAR isn’t an actual measurement; it’s just a wild-ass guess” -Bill James RIP National League 1876-2022 Floreat semper vel invita morte. I make custom ballparks.

07-20-2024, 03:22 PM	#9
aks62 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 536	My strategies for players with NTCs: 1. Put the player on the trade block. I don't necessarily agree with the game logic this way, but players' transactions morale can change if they are put on the block (i.e. the players know when they are listed there). Doing so usually isn't enough on its own, but I've found it can be in a select few cases. 2. Waive/DFA him. Usually this angers the player enough that this will lead him to consider at least a handful of teams for a trade. Do note that, if you aren't willing to risk losing the player for nothing, you shouldn't do this. Waiver claims do not get taken into account against a player's NTC, at least in OOTP (idk if the same is true IRL). If you want to have your cake and eat it, too — that is, get rid of the player while also getting value back, assuming he has any — waivers can be a risky move. 3. If he clears waivers and is eligible to be outrighted off the 40-man, send him to the minors. This likewise will anger the player to the point that he may want a trade. (This is also a great strategy to compel any overpaid/declining vets on long-term deals to consider retiring at the end of the season.) 4. If your player clears waivers but cannot be demoted, rinse and repeat. Put him back on your active roster and immediately waive/DFA him again. The second iteration of this can anger a player enough that it becomes the inflection point. I will note that this strategy was more effective pre-OOTP 25, though I'm not sure if this was something that was explicitly changed between game versions. 5. Wait it out. My most recent player who made this more and more difficult was a guy who wouldn't waive his NTC despite me taking all the above steps throughout the entire offseason. However, after I waived him on Opening Day, he became willing to entertain a trade for the first time, and I successfully moved him as a result. The same strategy can also work in July/as you approach the trade deadline, if your player won't consider a trade at or immediately after Opening Day. 6. If you're midway through your season, and you can't send the player to the minors (whether via demotion or outrighting), bench him. He will get frustrated with the lack of playing time and this can be a catalyst for considering a trade after a couple in-game weeks of riding the pine. Sometimes, there's nothing you can do. Even if a player hates his role or is upset with being on a losing team, he sometimes prioritizes the familiarity of staying with his current club over seeing if the grass is greener elsewhere (which is true to real life, too). If you want a shot at it, though, I think going through these aforementioned steps positions you to do so in the best possible way. Last edited by aks62; 07-20-2024 at 03:28 PM. Reason: Fixed a typo and added suggestion #6.

07-25-2024, 12:31 PM	#11
GTAltman Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: South Carolina Posts: 344	You could always make a "waiver" trade. Put the player on DFA Waivers and work out a deal for someone to claim him and give you compensation back - going back to the Waiver trades of the 80's and 90's for moves that were made in August, after the trading deadline of July 30, 19xx Two things to be aware of - another team could claim him and/or this may only work in a human league. __________________ PBAL Commissioner http://statsplus.net/PBAL

07-25-2024, 12:37 PM	#12
md40022 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 740 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	if you ever want to get George Brett mad enough to want to be traded, just tell him that you've personally never **** (pooped) your pants. (we've all seen that video, right? It's only the greatest baseball video ever) Last edited by md40022; 07-25-2024 at 12:55 PM.

07-17-2024, 03:36 AM	#2
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,481	I've read that pissing a player off can lead to them waiving their NTC, no clue if true.

07-17-2024, 07:17 PM	#3
kborsuk Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2021 Posts: 96	Honestly I've always gone to the "force the trade" button. its not entirely honest but if you feel the offer you're making is truly fair, then your conscience can be clean

07-18-2024, 05:25 PM	#6
Ross333 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 104	Thanks. I'm playing with no development and no personality traits if that matters. Brett's contract also called for starting line-up, and I've pulled him out of that in my pre season progress. I can't figure out what made Guerrero change his no trade/allow trade to certain teams, and I'd like to promote Brett with being reasonable, accepting a trade to a team he can start on.

07-18-2024, 10:32 PM	#8
Ross333 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 104	I could release him, but then I eat two years of his contract that are remaining.

07-21-2024, 02:45 AM	#10
Ross333 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 104	Thank you! I tried some of the above before seeing your note, and Mr. Brett would not budge. I cut him on opening day for nothing. No trade clause lesson learned!

07-26-2024, 10:24 PM	#13
Bobfather All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Ma. Posts: 1,637	Go to edit under contract unselected no trade clause. __________________ I play out every game—one pitch mode.

07-26-2024, 10:45 PM	#14
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	Never give a no trade clause. Pay more to avoid it when necessary. I'm very strict about age and long-term contracts.. i also don't allow this 15-year term nonsense. I limit max contract to 7 and testing out 5 this year. I don't want a bunch of teams saddled with horrid contracts and they can't seem to avoid them - even worse than how incompetent the real mlb GMs are, lol... byproduct of how easily they are fired so when the going gets tought, they get desparate and hobble the team finanicially for 3-5 years after they are fired. Biggest way to avoid no-win situations is to plan accordingly to minimimze the opportunity of such a context. You can't eliminate bad choices, but you can minimize them greatly.