SP Spring Training

jets12 · 05-11-2024, 10:08 PM

I have seen it posted here that SP should be on a low pitch count in spring training games, especially early. I recently started a new save and the AI keeps their pitchers in until they basically max out. This started the first game of spring.

For instance I just finished a game where the AI let the starter throw 90 pitches in his second start of spring. But since the spring games started all the AI starters have gone 70 plus pitches. So I guess it doesn't really matter? Just curious if this is normal.

bwburke94 · 05-13-2024, 05:19 AM

I wouldn't go beyond 70 for a SP in the spring, but the AI is poor at spring load management.

jets12 · 05-13-2024, 08:30 AM

I have found that the AI is lacking in a lot of areas. It is hard to put much confidence in the overall results of the game as it is currently.

Rpgmasta · 05-14-2024, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jets12

I have seen it posted here that SP should be on a low pitch count in spring training games, especially early. I recently started a new save and the AI keeps their pitchers in until they basically max out. This started the first game of spring.

For instance I just finished a game where the AI let the starter throw 90 pitches in his second start of spring. But since the spring games started all the AI starters have gone 70 plus pitches. So I guess it doesn't really matter? Just curious if this is normal.

This is not one of the things I've ever noticed as a problem. my SP never have more than 15IP in the Spring with 3-4 starts

What I DID just see with my own eyes is completely and utterly baffling.
Spring ends. All rotation and bullpen assigned and rested.
"Opening day" starter ready to rock.

instead, we get the STOPPER starting the game and getting hurt after 1 IP.
I can admit to having the stopper secondary role as emergency SP, but so was the long reliver.
*IF* we needed an emergency starter on opening day, and everyone is rested, why not just go to #2 in the rotation? The fact remains, I see no indication that an emergency starter was needed.

Pelican · 05-15-2024, 11:41 PM

In my experience, the AI seems to know the drill for Spring Training, not only for SP, but in terms of giving innings to a number of pitchers and at-bats to lots of position players. So, why has your experience been like regular season? Hmmmm.

Do your ST games appear on the schedule as “exhibition” games and not regular season? That’s the hint the AI needs. (One sim, I set up a whole ST schedule, but as “regular season” games. So of course the Ai responded as if they were regular season games.)

Are you playing with expanded Spring rosters of forty or fifty or more players? That is another strong hint to the AI that ST rules apply, and as many players as possible should get into the game.

One thing to watch for is that the AI apparently lacks the ability to transition from ST to the regular season and Opening Day. It won’t line up you rotation so your SP1 is rested and ready to start the season. This may be what happened to Rpgmasta above. I am careful to rest my starters late in the Spring, and to “align” my rotation. On Opening Day, I set the rotation and daily lineups, just to be sure.

jets12 · 05-16-2024, 07:06 AM

All the normal spring training rules are in effect in my save. The first two weeks of spring games the AI maxed out the starting pitchers. The first few games of the third week I have noticed the AI replacing SP after five innings or so. Rosters are expanded to 60 players for spring games.

jets12 · 05-16-2024, 07:20 AM

I don't think it matters if you limit pitch counts in spring games. I haven't noticed any abnormal injuries to pitchers in my save so far. I think the limit SP to certain number of pitches in ST is just a practice that has been adopted to give the game the "feel" of the real life experience. I may be wrong but in my particular save it doesn't seem to matter.

Pelican · 05-16-2024, 07:48 PM

You may be right. I like the "feel" of actual ST. Plus I worry that injuries happen, and the longer a guy throws, the more risk. Or so I expect. Plus the thing about not lining up the rotation to start the regular season. No fun to have to start your SP5 on Opening Day.

05-11-2024, 10:08 PM	#1
jets12 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 103	SP Spring Training I have seen it posted here that SP should be on a low pitch count in spring training games, especially early. I recently started a new save and the AI keeps their pitchers in until they basically max out. This started the first game of spring. For instance I just finished a game where the AI let the starter throw 90 pitches in his second start of spring. But since the spring games started all the AI starters have gone 70 plus pitches. So I guess it doesn't really matter? Just curious if this is normal.

05-15-2024, 11:41 PM	#5
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 3,197	In my experience, the AI seems to know the drill for Spring Training, not only for SP, but in terms of giving innings to a number of pitchers and at-bats to lots of position players. So, why has your experience been like regular season? Hmmmm. Do your ST games appear on the schedule as “exhibition” games and not regular season? That’s the hint the AI needs. (One sim, I set up a whole ST schedule, but as “regular season” games. So of course the Ai responded as if they were regular season games.) Are you playing with expanded Spring rosters of forty or fifty or more players? That is another strong hint to the AI that ST rules apply, and as many players as possible should get into the game. One thing to watch for is that the AI apparently lacks the ability to transition from ST to the regular season and Opening Day. It won’t line up you rotation so your SP1 is rested and ready to start the season. This may be what happened to Rpgmasta above. I am careful to rest my starters late in the Spring, and to “align” my rotation. On Opening Day, I set the rotation and daily lineups, just to be sure. __________________ Pelican OOTP 2020-? ”Hard to believe, Harry.”

05-16-2024, 07:48 PM	#8
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 3,197	You may be right. I like the "feel" of actual ST. Plus I worry that injuries happen, and the longer a guy throws, the more risk. Or so I expect. Plus the thing about not lining up the rotation to start the regular season. No fun to have to start your SP5 on Opening Day. __________________ Pelican OOTP 2020-? ”Hard to believe, Harry.”

05-13-2024, 05:19 AM	#2
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,522	I wouldn't go beyond 70 for a SP in the spring, but the AI is poor at spring load management.

05-13-2024, 08:30 AM	#3
jets12 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 103	I have found that the AI is lacking in a lot of areas. It is hard to put much confidence in the overall results of the game as it is currently.

05-16-2024, 07:06 AM	#6
jets12 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 103	All the normal spring training rules are in effect in my save. The first two weeks of spring games the AI maxed out the starting pitchers. The first few games of the third week I have noticed the AI replacing SP after five innings or so. Rosters are expanded to 60 players for spring games.

05-16-2024, 07:20 AM	#7
jets12 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 103	I don't think it matters if you limit pitch counts in spring games. I haven't noticed any abnormal injuries to pitchers in my save so far. I think the limit SP to certain number of pitches in ST is just a practice that has been adopted to give the game the "feel" of the real life experience. I may be wrong but in my particular save it doesn't seem to matter.