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Join Date: Dec 2007
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Is this a bad or good sign
PT24 822 leagues and 24,556 teams.
PT25 528 leagues and 15,808 teams. I'm not sure if this is a loss of interest or the fact that OOTGO is no longer free.
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Join Date: Jan 2022
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It's not a good sign. Those extra 8700+ are extremely unlikely to be the result of people who tried GO! for free and didn't like it (i.e., dead teams). It's also extremely unlikely that they were started post-season (interest drops off a cliff once the Series finishes). In any case, there are plenty of dead teams in PT25, especially in Rookie and Stone, which is the largest part of the league pyramid.
The good sign is that interest in Twitch streams seems about the same as last year, although that is more a measure of the hard-core rather than the casual and is also helped by having a lot more affiliates this year. |
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Minors (Double A)
Join Date: Dec 2023
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It's always been a niche game I think.
But now they've added the EA special and you can't win if you don't pay $. I don't blame anyone
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Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 720
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Last year, my #1 team stayed in Diamond for 48 weeks and got to Game Seven of the World Series twice. This year, I've been drubbed out of Diamond since Week 12. It's not as if my game skills have deteriorated since last year, so....
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Minors (Triple A)
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 207
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Fun and enjoyment, which is the only thing that should matter. Fun and enjoyment is not there for me anymore. It would appear I'm not the only one.
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Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 917
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They have a problem
They try to make the game different every year to provide new challenges to the long-time gamers. If they did the same thing every year then the "cookbook" would eventually become known to all and the only thing that mattered would be how much money or time the players were willing to spend. And each year's new players would get frustrated early and leave.
But the easiest way to change the path to the top tier of the game is to make things like ever-increasing card performance throughout the cycle. It would be nice to know if the top-end cards like PT Elite or the meta mission reward cards have finally surpassed what you can get out of fully developed combinators. Unfortunately, providing information on the five upgrade stages of each combinator card would require a great deal of effort from the devs that would benefit very few people, so I can see why they wouldn't want to go to the trouble. |
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Minors (Double A)
Join Date: Dec 2023
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Its like playing any Sports game. You open the pack within hours of release and you already get smashed by people who just spent $500 on upgrades. That's not fun for those who don't want to spend actual dollars. There is only one daily tournament aside from Live that has a no combi rule.
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I managed to get 2 cards to level 3. 6 total got upgraded. Probably lost 150,000 points on bad luck losing with over 70% probability. So I really can assert that real money is going into all these teams. Especially when I run into a full roster of combinator diamonds. "Enjoy lower levels" "Enjoy Live Tournaments" Why don't combinator teams enjoy combinator teams and keep way more non-combi tournaments instead?
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Minors (Double A)
Join Date: Dec 2023
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So, tournaments. Is the answer. Pretty big piece of the PT World.
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Join Date: Jan 2022
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I could write a short book on what they've done to tilt the playing field since PT22, but Combinators are only the culmination of a trend on one particular facet of PT. First, they killed the 10-5-3 reward 32-team quick tournaments and forced everyone into 16-team quicks with lower-than-previous rewards (3-1, used to be 5-3). Then, they restricted the number of quicks we can enter. Now, they've reintroduced 32-team quicks for live cards with lower-than-previous rewards (6-4-2). They take longer to fill (because of the lower number of allowed quick entries) and are worth less to boot.
I consistently finish high enough to get into PTCS, but PTCS means Combinators and a first-round exit for anyone who got there solely through live dailies and weeklies. That means the only rewards I'm getting have already been gotten through the dailies and weeklies, so it's really not worth the time spent on assembling a roster. Also...many of the best missions require tournament reward cards. The only path I can see to Perfect card tournament rewards involves Combinators. The best we can do in non-Combi tournaments is high Diamond. It's not so much aggravating as boring. I'm creating a new team each month, each team gets better faster than the previous one, and each has or will run into a wall at Gold or Diamond. They'll probably get rid of Combis next year, but I have no faith that things will get better in 26 and probably won't play. |
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Join Date: May 2024
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The only thing missed in the previous response, which might be a conspiracy theory on my part, is that I like the 55:45 live to historical ratio increase, but they have messed with the QUALITY of non-live cards you get. I'm convinced of this. I get many multiples of the same inexpensive cards, which happened even early on in the season. I guess I always thought the odds of ANY non-live diamond card was the same. Now I am convinced there's something in the algorithm that factors in the L10 price, date of release, something to make them more rare and hold their value longer. It feels different this year, or maybe I just have the coincidence of getting the same 4k-6k L10 priced diamonds and 1300-1600 priced golds, while everyone else is having fire-pulls, but I don't think I can be convinced that they haven't messed with the card dispensing algorithm this year. The conversation of "let's increase the number of non-live cards people get, but still make it really difficult to get good cards" seems very likely to have happened in the production meetings. I think they did this, and it messed with the game for me, along with all the other stuff. Also, just do away with perfect packs. They should be no more. If you've done all that work, all those cards and missions, won that tournament, just hand out some non-live perfect packs, man. I won a weekly 128 team tournament early in the year, before they had released tournament edition cards (for whatever reason) and so received a perfect pack! Got a live perfect, worth 20k. The cheapest L10 for a perfect tourney edition at this point in the season is over 200k. What a letdown. Make PT fun again, not an absolute gut punch.
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Minors (Double A)
Join Date: Dec 2023
Posts: 190
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C.r.e.a.m
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Join Date: Mar 2015
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I have spent significantly less time in PT this year, but I have been in a steady decline since 23. I am thr type of person that typically spends $50 off the rip to boost my team, then another $25 around the all star break. I think I spent $25 this year. My interest has wained, and the Combinator cards finished off my drive to do anything more than check in a few times a week. I do not played tourneys at all anymore.
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Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas
Posts: 1,810
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People that haven't posted much are dropping in. Hopefully, more and more people will be coming here to penetrate the corporate echo chamber that reverberates a message that everything is peachy.
Current ownership reminds me of the sickly Baron in Dune exhorting his nephews to "Squeeze." The $pice must flow. The more people that leave PT, the more they squeeze the love of PT from rest of us. My hazel green eyes are now a bright shade of iridescent blue
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Join Date: Jun 2023
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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I still do OK with 4 dailies (silver) and 3 PD slots. I'm giving up on the quicks because they are not stopping people from using bots to enter. That's a violation of the TOS for the exact reason stated: it gives an enormous advantage to scoop up packs over those who have to enter manually. They could program it so everyone can re-enter a quick automatically for 24 hours and eliminate the advantage of the bot spam. That's my pet peeve, not CC, although I'm not fond of CC, the team has done things to roll them back a bit. I'm OK with a 6-4-2 payout for 32-player, Bo7 quicks. I just wish there was such a tournament for non-live cards, CC limit 1 (along with killing the bots). I despise the DoD without automatic re-entry even if there were no bots. I'm OK with reducing diamond leagues to 12 because it makes success of establishing a team there so much sweeter. I appreciate the bronze EF, 16K to 1st. I appreciate 1 CC-free daily at each lower level. I appreciate ~10 free packs a day from twitch drops. I am happy to exchange 1 quick slot for 4 daily slots and although 10-5-3 is gone, 6-4-2 is not bad and playing for 5 historical diamond packs or 40 regular packs, easily compensates for loss of 10-5-3.
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Discord can be busy but hard to follow certain topics. Topics change constantly and then it can be hard to find relevant historical conversations.
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