Not sure what to do with this top prospect

[nymetsfan5]

Eddie is ranked as the top prospect in the game, love his scouting report and ratings, but he has not performed at all. Not sure what to do with him at this point, I'm thinking about trading him for a 70 rated catcher and left fielder, both of which are 3-4 WAR players in their mid 20s and I'm in a contention window right now, but hate to give up on a top prospect. What do you think

[liberty-ca]

Unless he has a hidden very high outfield potential, which I doubt he does, I don't see much value in him. Even if he pans out, he would be DH-ing or playing first base, he's got no glove really. I would try to trade him for a much better fielder who also has a decent batting ability. Others might still like him, but he is not my kind of player. Cute nickname, though.

[Sweed]

These are only assumptions based on the screen shots. I could be way off, but...

Are you having the AI do your promotions or are you doing them yourself? The way I see him going from A, A+, AA, A+, AA I'm guessing it's the AI that is yo yo-ing him up and down? His stat lines aren't showing much and it looks to me like he's being rushed through the minors and never being allowed to succeed at any level before getting that next promotion. In your words "he has not performed at all", his WAR with HS stats filtered out is -1.7, and yet he is moving up, why? Being a HS player I would have had him start his third year still in Rookie ball and see some success in his WAR and OPS+ (using what's available in your screens) before moving him up to A ball.

I control all player movement in my organization. I am very patient and allow my talented players time to learn and have success before moving them up. Since I don't rush players I don't know if this guy is ruined or not. Before promoting any player, and especially big time prospects, I use the "ratings relative to" option to see how my scout thinks this kid stacks up skill wise in the level he's in and the next level up. I combine that "relative to" report with
the player's stat output and then make a decision on promotion.

Your player's first year at Rookie ball would have had me excited, and, like you, I would have started him out at R in season two to verify the first R season. With his K rate, drop in OPS+, and negative WAR there's no way I promote him to A ball in season two. He stays at R until his performance improves. What I can't see in your screens is his babip. Maybe in year two R ball he was hitting into bad luck and had a terrible babip? If so that falls into my "look at relative to and stats" before promotion rule where I never base promotion on only skill or stats. A young HS #1 overall pick hitting into bad luck that is shown by a bad babip? I leave him at R and let him have some success. He's young and has lot's of time, there is no rush, IMHO.

I think the only solution is to either try to trade him if you can get something of value, good for you, or drop him all the way back down to A ball, or at least back to A+ and let him play until he shows success or he ages out of the level.

[nymetsfan5]

Originally Posted by Sweed

These are only assumptions based on the screen shots. I could be way off, but...

Are you having the AI do your promotions or are you doing them yourself? The way I see him going from A, A+, AA, A+, AA I'm guessing it's the AI that is yo yo-ing him up and down? His stat lines aren't showing much and it looks to me like he's being rushed through the minors and never being allowed to succeed at any level before getting that next promotion. In your words "he has not performed at all", his WAR with HS stats filtered out is -1.7, and yet he is moving up, why? Being a HS player I would have had him start his third year still in Rookie ball and see some success in his WAR and OPS+ (using what's available in your screens) before moving him up to A ball.

I control all player movement in my organization. I am very patient and allow my talented players time to learn and have success before moving them up. Since I don't rush players I don't know if this guy is ruined or not. Before promoting any player, and especially big time prospects, I use the "ratings relative to" option to see how my scout thinks this kid stacks up skill wise in the level he's in and the next level up. I combine that "relative to" report with
the player's stat output and then make a decision on promotion.

Your player's first year at Rookie ball would have had me excited, and, like you, I would have started him out at R in season two to verify the first R season. With his K rate, drop in OPS+, and negative WAR there's no way I promote him to A ball in season two. He stays at R until his performance improves. What I can't see in your screens is his babip. Maybe in year two R ball he was hitting into bad luck and had a terrible babip? If so that falls into my "look at relative to and stats" before promotion rule where I never base promotion on only skill or stats. A young HS #1 overall pick hitting into bad luck that is shown by a bad babip? I leave him at R and let him have some success. He's young and has lot's of time, there is no rush, IMHO.

I think the only solution is to either try to trade him if you can get something of value, good for you, or drop him all the way back down to A ball, or at least back to A+ and let him play until he shows success or he ages out of the level.

I've had AI do promotions, just because work has been pretty busy and I have less free time, but I think that's a good approach.

Do you have any tips on managing player movement in general?

[WarningTrakPower]

Originally Posted by nymetsfan5

Do you have any tips on managing player movement in general?

Easy one to start is adding your top prospects to a shortlist and then locking them to their minor league level.
I check on them after 2 months, 4 months & end of season type thing.
I like to leave them at a level for an entire year, if I can and ideally never repeat a level (I don't mind going from A to AA and skipping A+ because I find A+ sometimes gets overloaded by the AI rosters).

Also, I see you're playing with morale on, so make sure you do not have players with bad personalities on your minor league rosters (winning in the minors actually can help a players morale / not hurt their development).

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by nymetsfan5

I've had AI do promotions, just because work has been pretty busy and I have less free time, but I think that's a good approach.

Do you have any tips on managing player movement in general?

Understood on time being an issue because of work.

I control all promotions and demotions for my minor leagues. It sounds like a lot but if you have a system it's really not.

I like to....
1. Always use the "ratings relative to" to evaluate per level.
2. I use the "organization>minor league" tab to do my evaluations and start
with AAA
3. set "ratings relative to" to AAA. You now see how your scout evaluates
everyone in your organization compared to AAA. From here I look at my
AAA players and if they are advanced enough to be MLB players, or if
any of my AA players are ready to advance to AAA. If AA players are ready
to move up there may be some AAA players that need to be released.
These promotion/release decisions are based on ratings and performance (stats), with consideration to age and pro years.
4. Rinse and repeat using "ratings relative to AA" and do the same evaluation for
AA and A+ players.
5. Now do the above for A+ and A players using "relative to A+, then A
and Rookie ball with, "relative to A", and finally I use "relative to Rookie" to
see if any of my complex players are ready to move up to R ball.

I do this just before spring training and at the end of ST. When the new season starts I wait 2 months, ie May 1st and do it all again. I then do it on the first of each month as the season progresses. It takes about a half hour to do this monthly. Most months I'm looking at 1 or 2 players per level that show enough to even consider a move. Some months may take an hour if there are a large number of players that are close and take more time to as I look at all players that I promote individually. Then there are months where it's easy to see nobody is going to ready.

This works well for me as a player that manages every inning of every game. It would probably work as well if I went to every other month, but, for me, "it ain't broke" so I'm not going to fix it. If you don't play out your games but rather sim chunks at a time I would think this could still work. Just comes down to finding a time frame that works for you. Or you may look at my anal way of doing this and think, "yeah, I'm not doing all of that".

[OutS|der]

The prospect list a joke. Ignore it as it has little to no bearing on what prospect is better than another.
Same with overall ratings, just look at the internal ratings. The overall numbers make no sense anymore.

[Sweed]

I look at the prospect list as propaganda in OOTP and in real life. Same as I look at preseason predictions, again in both OOTP and real life.

As far as v25 and the expanded ratings scale? I have found my minor leagues make a lot more sense than they did in previous versions. In previous versions I would assign players to minor league clubs almost as a "best guess" after looking at ratings and stats. In v25 I would say I know why each player, be it filler or prospect, is where they are. I do still, as I always have, use the OV/Pot as a tool that draws my eye (but not the only tool, as IRL one needs to look deeper), while using each players actual skills along with stats to make decisions.

Does every rating work when plugged into the top prospect list? No, but I don't really care and, it never did in v24 or before either in my experience. A top prospect list is like preseason predictions, a best guess, that many times ends up meaning nothing when those top prospects try to make the jump to MLB.

That's my take, others milage will of course vary.

[jpeters1734]

Stick him in A+ and don't promote him until is OPS+ is 100 or better.

[Curve Ball Dave]

Not sure if you have age/service time limits in your minors, but this player has been promoted before he was ready more than once. Demote him and keep him at a lower level until he starts to show some success. I'd hang on to him until he's eligible for the Rule V then make a decision.

[r0nster]

keep him in minors and get the defense improved