33 Weeks In and I still don't get it...

[HRBaker]

Well, it's been about 10 weeks since I said I was reducing my time in PT, and current results simply confirm my belief that too much talent was released too early. Looking at my three teams, it makes no sense in my mind how the Aeros and Commodores can be doing better than the Barons - who were PT+ members for 6 months... and the Barons are falling into Iron next week.

For what it's worth, here's my three teams - and I really REALLY hope the guys in the Penthouse consider letting us join leagues that only allow certain level cards - basically tournament rules for a whole season. I could get excited again if I could join a Gold-or-less league and try and win as many championships as possible with such a limited roster.

The Pyramid, which sounded great in the beginning, is simply "climb the hill as fast as you can before everyone else catches up." ...and after 6 years that format is getting kinda boring.

[Tinkerman]

I haven't played this year and I miss it, but I want to play game modes that don't exist. The pyramid is quite boring unless you're at the pointy end of it, and the pro/rel gets more cockeyed with every extra wildcard that's added!

Our League was a lot more engaging week to week, but still had too much disparity for really intense competition. What I crave is a proper pro/rel league format with card restrictions similar to a double perfect PD. Really competitive and endlessly tweakable.

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by Tinkerman

I haven't played this year and I miss it, but I want to play game modes that don't exist. The pyramid is quite boring unless you're at the pointy end of it, and the pro/rel gets more cockeyed with every extra wildcard that's added!

Our League was a lot more engaging week to week, but still had too much disparity for really intense competition. What I crave is a proper pro/rel league format with card restrictions similar to a double perfect PD. Really competitive and endlessly tweakable.

I've always wanted week-long tournaments.

i.e. have 32-team tourneys that last the entire week, with better rewards (like WS winner gets a choice pack for Perfect and HD, runner up HD and LD, etc). Offer 1 slot for this kind of tourney per team. So, there could be cap leagues, leagues for certain eras, card level leagues, etc, similar to the regular tourneys.

It would definitely add another awesome, and missing, flavor to the game.

I really think this is the way to implement what you're looking for and should be added in PT25.

[rburgh]

They're interesting, you can win good cards or packs to improve your team, and you can choose the level of cards you want to use. You don't even have to grind the quick tournaments, you can do quite well with dailies and weeklies once you get your arms around who the good cards are. And the good thing is the rewards for winning or placing well in an iron daily are the same as for winning or placing similarly in a daily using much more expensive cards.

You'd get your wish to not have to compete against the top cards, you'd generate packs or cards you can use to improve your base team, and you could take a day or a week off whenever you want to without losing much ground.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by rburgh

They're interesting, you can win good cards or packs to improve your team, and you can choose the level of cards you want to use. You don't even have to grind the quick tournaments, you can do quite well with dailies and weeklies once you get your arms around who the good cards are. And the good thing is the rewards for winning or placing well in an iron daily are the same as for winning or placing similarly in a daily using much more expensive cards.

You'd get your wish to not have to compete against the top cards, you'd generate packs or cards you can use to improve your base team, and you could take a day or a week off whenever you want to without losing much ground.

...not my wish. Tournaments are a grind. Short runs, constantly signing up for another, and improvements to a fixed roster come "between" tournaments - no long term season-long competition. Long term roster building is much different that multiple-run tournaments.

I'm an "old school" baseball fan - steeped in the 150game+ marathon. Tournaments aren't the same.

The Pyramid provides the 150+ game season, but the promotion/relegation scenario feels foreign to us old-timers. I'd much rather just join the level I wish to compete in and have the option to change that level if I wish.

[ubernoob]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

Long term roster building is much different that multiple-run tournaments.

How? You're building teams to play in the exact same game engine, you wouldn't make any wildly different choices.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by ubernoob

How? You're building teams to play in the exact same game engine, you wouldn't make any wildly different choices.

Different tournaments require different rosters. One could have a Gold, Silver, Bronze, and Iron roster as well as historical players, live players, negro players and whatever else is added to the mix over time. A player could easily have 6-10 (or more) specific tournament rosters that have to be maintained in addition to the master roster for PT. Every card you obtain could change the makeup of one or more of those rosters.

The maintenance of that scenario is huge if you take full advantage of it, and my obsession is running an old-school team through a complete season without the added involvement of tournaments, missions, and card collecting.

I understand that to many of you, the more peripheral involvement they add - the happier you are. But I'm simply not that person. I don't want to spend hours every day going over the detailed work it would take to do all those things... I want a baseball card game that plays 150+ games a season with one roster to worry about.

In my perfect world, I'd want a Gold (or less), Silver (or less), and Bronze (or less) team roster in a Gold, Silver, and Bronze league. No promotion or relegation unless I chose to move a team up or down. For example, if my Silver team suddenly had enough Gold players to field a roster, then I might choose to leave Silver and Join Gold. Any cards of higher value I couldn't use I could keep or sell to improve my current level.

However, little of that matters because I think the work and process to make such a thing happen would never seriously be considered by the current decision makers. When v25 comes out, I'll probably do the same I did this year; play three teams F2P until the Fall, then move on to other things.

[ubernoob]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

In my perfect world, I'd want a Gold (or less), Silver (or less), and Bronze (or less) team roster in a Gold, Silver, and Bronze league. No promotion or relegation unless I chose to move a team up or down. For example, if my Silver team suddenly had enough Gold players to field a roster, then I might choose to leave Silver and Join Gold. Any cards of higher value I couldn't use I could keep or sell to improve my current level.

You're just asking for 162-game tournaments with a playoff system, it could easily be done if they wanted to. Same thing PunishedF2P suggested above.

[rburgh]

Put a team together on Sunday, check Saturday night to see how you did, rinse and repeat. Suggested rewards


1st - 2 choice packs next card tier up
2nd - 1 choice pack next tier up
3rd/4th - 2 choice packs same tier
5-8th - 1 choice pack same tier
9th-12th (last playoff teams) - 4 regular packs
all others - 2 regular packs


No login pressure, no obsessive tinkering. Same PP rewards for various achievements as with a regular team. It would be a great way for guys like HRB to progress a team for a full calendar year, with the achievement rewards providing PP's to supplement the occasional free cards for the next level.


Among other things, I think those who do play the pyramid game seriously would eagerly embrace this for their satellite teams.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by ubernoob

You're just asking for 162-game tournaments with a playoff system, it could easily be done if they wanted to. Same thing PunishedF2P suggested above.

Basically, yes.

[ubernoob]

I'd be in. I don't really care about the league ever, and I only keep up one tournament team roster (silver this year for me) and that's pretty much all I've ever wanted out of the game was weeklong tournaments with roster restrictions.

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

Well, it's been about 10 weeks since I said I was reducing my time in PT, and current results simply confirm my belief that too much talent was released too early. Looking at my three teams, it makes no sense in my mind how the Aeros and Commodores can be doing better than the Barons - who were PT+ members for 6 months... and the Barons are falling into Iron next week.

For what it's worth, here's my three teams - and I really REALLY hope the guys in the Penthouse consider letting us join leagues that only allow certain level cards - basically tournament rules for a whole season. I could get excited again if I could join a Gold-or-less league and try and win as many championships as possible with such a limited roster.



The Pyramid, which sounded great in the beginning, is simply "climb the hill as fast as you can before everyone else catches up." ...and after 6 years that format is getting kinda boring.

As I stated before...Why when I mentioned a couple months ago to add Leagues where the Perfect, Diamond, Gold, Silver etc, etc, Leagues could only use card at or below the league levels I was considered a idiot for saying that? Keep the the system the way it is now, but just add the other options. Especially if owners are allowed 3 accounts. I only just use 1 now. I think that would bring back more interest and more players that want to play including new revenue for Com2US (OOTP). And I'd also wish during tournament time they'd remove whatever algorithm that permits so many reverse sweeps or 81-81 teams sweeping through a tournament like they did anything throughout the season. There is no longer incentive to improve your team when this happens so regular

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

As I stated before...Why when I mentioned a couple months ago to add Leagues where the Perfect, Diamond, Gold, Silver etc, etc, Leagues could only use card at or below the league levels I was considered a idiot for saying that?

Not all of us thought you were crazy BB.