Prove me wrong: Part2

[Cobra Mgr]

No two athletes made a highlight reel like

Vince Carter


or


Barry Sanders

[Amazin69]

Barry was incredibly exciting…but I feel a few words on behalf of one Vincent Edward "Bo" Jackson are necessary.

(Nowhere near everything Bo accomplished…in four demi-seasons, whereas Barry played a full decade.)

[Ty Cobb]

Never saw Vince play. Barry was a gift from heaven.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

Barry was incredibly exciting…but I feel a few words on behalf of one Vincent Edward "Bo" Jackson are necessary.

(Nowhere near everything Bo accomplished…in four demi-seasons, whereas Barry played a full decade.)

After I posted, I did think of Jackson & Deion because they had highlights in 2 different sports.

[David Watts]

Jim Edmonds and Wayne Gretzky?

[Cobra Mgr]

I wouldn't put Edmonds in the same class because his best plays didn't come w/defenders trying to prevent him from succeeding.

The funny thing is I have never seen Gretzky highlight video. Admittedly I am late to the game of hockey in comparison to other sports. But you would think I would have fell into one by now.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Jim Edmonds and Wayne Gretzky?

The catch of Edmonds, where it was DIRECTLY over his head is the greatest catch in MLB history.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

The catch of Edmonds, where it was DIRECTLY over his head is the greatest catch in MLB history.

And who preventing him from making the catch? Sanders is running thru a minefield of steroids all bigger than him trying to put him down. Carter is dunking on people half a foot taller than him w/others trying to swipe the ball away.

Edmonds made some spectacular plays but the degree of difficulty is meh in comparison.

Meanwhile..........

I went & looked a nearly 30 minute highlight film of the Great One. Is it my imagination or was there more space in the early 80's? I've never seen so many goals were a skater had time to pump fake. It was fun watching the skills. But did it have the flash & flair? Not like Barry & Vince (Or Bo & Deion)

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

After I posted, I did think of Jackson & Deion because they had highlights in 2 different sports.

I deliberately chose a video that was only Bo's NFL highlights because I was going for the apples-to-apples comparison. And that video didn't include either MNF Seattle TD or his first (49 yards against the Broncos, destroying future teammate Mike Harden en route to the end zone), for example.

I agree that Barry has an unparalleled collection of dancing, then explosive runs. (Of course, he also had a considerable amount of runs for minus yardage, because he would dance rather than hit the hole for a short gain.) My argument is that Bo had plenty of those, and Bo also had pure power.

(My favorite is hosting Denver in 1988, where Bo tries to convert a short-yardage situation, gets knocked back by the Broncos d-line, resets himself, hits the hole again and gains five yards. You don't beat Bo twice!)

That said, all very subjective, and I'm mostly only here because I'm so pissed off that my game has crashed and is giving me a technical issue. (I hate needing support.) Don't mind me.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

I deliberately chose a video that was only Bo's NFL highlights because I was going for the apples-to-apples comparison. And that video didn't include either MNF Seattle TD or his first (49 yards against the Broncos, destroying future teammate Mike Harden en route to the end zone), for example.

I agree that Barry has an unparalleled collection of dancing, then explosive runs. (Of course, he also had a considerable amount of runs for minus yardage, because he would dance rather than hit the hole for a short gain.) My argument is that Bo had plenty of those, and Bo also had pure power.

(My favorite is hosting Denver in 1988, where Bo tries to convert a short-yardage situation, gets knocked back by the Broncos d-line, resets himself, hits the hole again and gains five yards. You don't beat Bo twice!)

That said, all very subjective, and I'm mostly only here because I'm so pissed off that my game has crashed and is giving me a technical issue. (I hate needing support.) Don't mind me.

For my $, Bo Jackson was the purest athlete I ever witnessed. It was absolutely insane how easy NFL & MLB was to him.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

For my $, Bo Jackson was the purest athlete I ever witnessed. It was absolutely insane how easy NFL & MLB was to him.

Seriously? Lifetime .250 hitter with a lifetime .309 OBP?

35% strikeout rate. If he played in this era, it would likely be 50% or higher.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

Seriously? Lifetime .250 hitter with a lifetime .309 OBP?

35% strikeout rate. If he played in this era, it would likely be 50% or higher.

You just live to contradict, don't ya?

So what? How many athletes can commit to baseball part time & accomplish that?
1.You think the above is easy?
2. You ignore his numbers were rendered askew by a hip replacement.
3. He was an all-star.
4. His baseball highlights were beyond just numbers. His cannon to home plate to nail Harold Reynolds is remembered as one of the best throws in the history of the game. Running up the wall on a catch to the gap. Just the 2nd player to homer & steal a base in an all-star game where he was named MVP. Comeback POY after hip replacement. A hat trick in Yankee stadium.

Normal human beings don't create multiple highlights that are remembered decades later in 2 major sports. Bo made it look like all he had to do was change jerseys.

[mytreds]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

You just live to contradict, don't ya?

Some people think stats are the end all be all to knowing how good someone is at a given thing

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by mytreds

Some people think stats are the end all be all to knowing how good someone is at a given thing

It's that. But it is also purposefully glossing over the point. Getting the opportunity to get paid playing sports is one thing. Getting the opportunity to choose which you will play is another. Choosing to do doth simultaneously just ain't natural. Then to excel @ both so well simultaneously that (even if just for a couple months) you are considered among the best in the world is downright mythical.

There are 30 yr olds riding buses through Zebulon, NC dedicating their whole life to getting just one "cup of coffee" in the majors. Or taking off years of their life to play for the Brahmas hoping to get invited to sweat more of their life away in Spartanburg, SC this summer for a chance to make an NFL roster.

And Bo could go seamlessly from one to the other seemingly @ whim and leave the best in each sport in awe w/the stuff he could do.

& dv wants to act like he looked like he was struggling?

Dude.....................