Rule 5 eligibility

[Bobbyraz49]

Hi !
So how do I make a rule 5 eligible ... not eligible? Do I put him on the 40 man roster?
Also... I have an 18 year old player in my minors who is on my rule 5 group? Did he sign with the team age 13 or 14. He is not someone who I'll keep .
Clarification on this matter would be very helpful.

Many thanks...Bob

[Bluenoser]

Yes, placing a player on the 40 man roster will remove him from the Rule 5 eligible list.

Not sure on the 18 year old, would need to see his history.

[Bobbyraz49]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Yes, placing a player on the 40 man roster will remove him from the Rule 5 eligible list.

Not sure on the 18 year old, would need to see his history.

Thanks.
The 18 year old ... I signed him as a FA on 4/12/23. Angels signed him 1/5/22 and released him.

Thank you.

[Bluenoser]

A screen shot of his history would help.

How much service time does he have?

[Bobbyraz49]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

A screen shot of his history would help.

How much service time does he have?

53 games in rookie league only. Sorry not good at some computer things as you can see. I hope. Again....thanks.

[md40022]

I don't see any scenario in which an 18 year old would be rule 5 eligible. A player is only rule 5 eligible after X amount of years in the minor leagues. I don't know what that "X" value is, but I'm 99.9% sure its long enough where he should be older than 18.

One thing I will say though, anyone who gets drafted in the rule 5 draft has to be put on the major league roster by the team who drafts them. So anyone who drafted your 18 year old would HAVE TO put him on the ML roster, even if he's not ML ready yet. So for that reason, teams might not draft him unless he is just sooooo talented that they are willing to let him take a roster spot and sit on the bench. But even that would be bizarre since he wouldn't be getting the daily at-bats you'd want him to get for development. But that all goes back to it being really bizarre for an 18 year old to be rule 5 eligible in the first place........ I would almost say something is glitchy here in your situation.

I'm not necessarily sure that he'd get drafted in the rule 5 though just for the reasons I mentioned above though. I guess that's my point.

[nutt]

Originally Posted by md40022

I don't see any scenario in which an 18 year old would be rule 5 eligible. A player is only rule 5 eligible after X amount of years in the minor leagues. I don't know what that "X" value is, but I'm 99.9% sure its long enough where he should be older than 18.

One thing I will say though, anyone who gets drafted in the rule 5 draft has to be put on the major league roster by the team who drafts them. So anyone who drafted your 18 year old would HAVE TO put him on the ML roster, even if he's not ML ready yet. So for that reason, teams might not draft him unless he is just sooooo talented that they are willing to let him take a roster spot and sit on the bench. But even that would be bizarre since he wouldn't be getting the daily at-bats you'd want him to get for development. But that all goes back to it being really bizarre for an 18 year old to be rule 5 eligible in the first place........ I would almost say something is glitchy here in your situation.

I'm not necessarily sure that he'd get drafted in the rule 5 though just for the reasons I mentioned above though. I guess that's my point.

Five pro years if signed under 18 years of age.
Four pro years if signed at 18 years of age or older.

I may be one year and it's four-and-three, not five-and-four.

[md40022]

Originally Posted by nutt

Five pro years if signed under 18 years of age.
Four pro years if signed at 18 years of age or older.

I may be one year and it's four-and-three, not five-and-four.

That would mean this kid was signed at 13 or 14..... which has happened with some international players.

Seeing as this player signed with LA in 2022, if the kid was 13 or 14 at the time and the OP is in his 2026 or 2027 season right now then I guess everything jives with that time frame

Knowing that he'd have to stick on a ML roster if drafted in the rule 5 though, I'm still not sure the kid would get drafted if he's still several years away from being big league ready... Sabotaging his development while he sits on the bench for 3 years doesn't seem to make sense, not to mention you're forfeiting a roster spot by keeping him. Definitely an interesting scenario. But to the OP, if you're worried about losing him just release some AAA depth reliever or middle infielder and then throw the kid on the 40 man.

[nutt]

Originally Posted by md40022

That would mean this kid was signed at 13 or 14..... which has happened with some international players.

Seeing as this player signed with LA in 2022, if the kid was 13 or 14 at the time and the OP is in his 2026 or 2027 season right now then I guess everything jives with that time frame

Knowing that he'd have to stick on a ML roster if drafted in the rule 5 though, I'm still not sure the kid would get drafted if he's still several years away from being big league ready... Sabotaging his development while he sits on the bench for 3 years doesn't seem to make sense, not to mention you're forfeiting a roster spot by keeping him. Definitely an interesting scenario. But to the OP, if you're worried about losing him just release some AAA depth reliever or middle infielder and then throw the kid on the 40 man.

He's playing with an MLB setup. He's got three option years to burn with the kid. Placing him on the 40 just takes up a pro-rated portion of the league minimum (16.5% of the league minimum while in the minors).

[md40022]

I might not be interpreting your post correctly, forgive me if that's the case. But his option years don't matter if drafted in the rule 5. He's required to stick on the MLB roster at that point. He can't be optioned down to the minors. That's why I don't think it would be a given that he gets drafted.

Again, I might not be interpreting your post correctly

[md40022]

Wait. This doesn't even make sense. In looking at the image that the OP posted, the OP is still playing in his 2023 season according to his upcoming schedule in the top right corner. If this kid just signed in 2022, he's NOT rule 5 eligible.

[nutt]

Originally Posted by md40022

I might not be interpreting your post correctly, forgive me if that's the case. But his option years don't matter if drafted in the rule 5. He's required to stick on the MLB roster at that point. He can't be optioned down to the minors. That's why I don't think it would be a given that he gets drafted.

Again, I might not be interpreting your post correctly

What I meant was if he's trying to avoid Rule 5 eligibility, all he's gotta do is put the guy on the 40-man and pray he develops as needed over the next year or two.

Of course if he was selected in the Rule 5, that's a mighty risk of using him as a 13th/14th batter on a roster and hoping he has either an amazing glove or lightning speed to take up that roster spot for a full season. This actually paid off for me with Jose Ramos and Edmundo Sosa in previous years.

[md40022]

Originally Posted by nutt

What I meant was if he's trying to avoid Rule 5 eligibility, all he's gotta do is put the guy on the 40-man and pray he develops as needed over the next year or two.

Of course if he was selected in the Rule 5, that's a mighty risk of using him as a 13th/14th batter on a roster and hoping he has either an amazing glove or lightning speed to take up that roster spot for a full season. This actually paid off for me with Jose Ramos and Edmundo Sosa in previous years.

Ah. I'm in complete agreement with you then!!

[kidd_05_u2]

Originally Posted by Bobbyraz49

53 games in rookie league only. Sorry not good at some computer things as you can see. I hope. Again....thanks.

I just checked the database and my own game. That player is not and should not be rule 5 draft eligible.

Why is he with the Padres instead of the Dodgers? Are you sure he is eligible for the rule 5? Post a screenshot of his contract page if you can.

[Matt Arnold]

Players who are released by one organization and signed by another are rule 5 eligible.

If you're not worried about them being picked in the draft, you can just eave then unprotected - remember anyone who drafts them will have to keep them on their roster for a full season, so if they're still very raw, odds are teams will pass over them.

When you are worried, you can add them to the 40-man roster.

[Bobbyraz49]

I really appreciate all the info supplied to me. Once again...this board rules !