International League(s) Announcement

[PSUColonel]

In the post making the announcement stating OOTP 24 would only include licensed leagues (MLB, MiLB, U.S. Independent Leagues and KBO) it was not clear if this would affect tournaments? The thread was immediately closed, so there was no chance to ask any follow-up questions, so I am doing so here.

Some of the draft leagues are obviously covered under the MLB license, but it is unclear if others are also??? For example, What about leagues such as the PECOS or Empire League...these are not MLB partner leagues.

As far as tournaments, the Cape Cod League appears to be independent of say the MLB Prospect or Draft leagues...I do not know for sure, but I feel it's a reasonable question.

What about the World Baseball Classic? (although there's probably not a need for this as much now).

Just looking for some clarification....thank you.

[Cod]

The community manager in discord posted this comment when someone posed a similar question: "I believe, currently (OOTP 23) under US Independent Leagues we have both MLB Partner Leagues (American Association, Frontier, Atlantic League, Pioneer League) as well as the a few non-partnered leagues. I'm going to see if I can get some more clarity on what will happen with those other leagues." Hopefully the answer will be posted in this thread as well.

[LansdowneSt]

In three weeks, everyone will know.

[PSUColonel]

Well, I still don't see why fictional leagues (loosely based on real ones) can't be provided for leagues other than you know who. Maybe you can't have the real players' granted, but at least the leagues, teams, settings, templates etc could all be preserved.

Removing all of the international leagues just as templates just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I get you can't have the real team names, or the logos etc...but I still think the templates should be legal. This however is likely a Com2Us decision, and therefore undebatable I'm sure.

[AlpineSK]

Don't worry. Modders can create whatever you need and quickstarts can be created.

I'm sure none of those would run the risk of being edited down the road if an issue were to arise.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Well, I still don't see why fictional leagues (loosely based on real ones) can't be provided for leagues other than you know who. Maybe you can't have the real players' granted, but at least the leagues, teams, settings, templates etc could all be preserved.

Removing all of the international leagues just as templates just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I get you can't have the real team names, or the logos etc...but I still think the templates should be legal. This however is likely a Com2Us decision, and therefore undebatable I'm sure.

In the announcement, Markus said there would be fictional templates for international leagues

[andyhdz]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Well, I still don't see why fictional leagues (loosely based on real ones) can't be provided for leagues other than you know who. Maybe you can't have the real players' granted, but at least the leagues, teams, settings, templates etc could all be preserved.

Removing all of the international leagues just as templates just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I get you can't have the real team names, or the logos etc...but I still think the templates should be legal. This however is likely a Com2Us decision, and therefore undebatable I'm sure.

when it comes to even the threat of litigation and losing money it makes perfect sense. All it takes is one bad lawsuit and this company is gone.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

In the announcement, Markus said there would be fictional templates for international leagues

I didn't see anything to this effect....although I am getting older.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I didn't see anything to this effect....although I am getting older.

Towards the bottom of the 2nd paragraph

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Towards the bottom of the 2nd paragraph

You are correct sir...that is hopefully some good news. I am glad for this, but truthfully, setting up world leagues is going to go from already daunting to extremely time consuming.

[BaseballGOAT]

What I've done in the past since I create a lot of leagues that weren't in the game, I copy directly from the previous edition of the game

[Qrusher14242]

Strange to mention the modding community when they went through and edited and removed the ones from the one that won't be named. Can't trust them to not do the same thing in this case.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Qrusher14242

Strange to mention the modding community when they went through and edited and removed the ones from the one that won't be named. Can't trust them to not do the same thing in this case.

Then it comes down to buy it or don't, right? It's not going to change, it's been announced before release, I think they'd honor refund requests on the pre-order since nobody has received the game. You have your experience and the current information, the ball is in your court.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by Qrusher14242

Strange to mention the modding community when they went through and edited and removed the ones from the one that won't be named. Can't trust them to not do the same thing in this case.

I'm sure some things will be answered completely... but based on the limited knowledge of the law I have... there shouldn't be any way to sue OOTP if the non licensed leagues were used modded. The difference between this and the Japan issue seems to be OOTP was caught with its hand in the cookie jar so to speak by including the leagues in the official release. This allows separation from the game developers and the unlicensed leagues.

[AlpineSK]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Then it comes down to buy it or don't, right? It's not going to change, it's been announced before release, I think they'd honor refund requests on the pre-order since nobody has received the game. You have your experience and the current information, the ball is in your court.

So let people discuss their concerns freely as long as they stay within the guidelines set forth by the forum. You don't have to police every single thread that you think is negative.

[Mr. Marlin]

It's worrisome that there might be another retroactive change to saved games. I have a fictional game in 23 using real team names and league names and the *** got exported to south africa after the last update. The fact it was fictional notwithstanding. I'd be very annoyed if that happened again. Maybe it's enough that the game dies not ship with those leagues to keep from doing that again.

EDIT: Would you look at that s--t? You can even use those three letters in that sequence on this board! Ennnn Peeee Beeee!

There, I said it!

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Mr. Marlin

It's worrisome that there might be another retroactive change to saved games. I have a fictional game in 23 using real team names and league names and the *** got exported to south africa after the last update. The fact it was fictional notwithstanding. I'd be very annoyed if that happened again. Maybe it's enough that the game dies not ship with those leagues to keep from doing that again.

EDIT: Would you look at that s--t? You can even use those three letters in that sequence on this board! Ennnn Peeee Beeee!

There, I said it!

I am fine with OOTP not shipping with the leagues as long as there are templates available. The problem I have, is the quality of work is going to suffer over time.

Individual users simply don't have the same working knowledge of various game settings, and how they will work...especially in concert with other leagues. The templates/leagues are not going to receive improvements from year to year, and they are going to be subject to user interpretation.

In some ways, it might be time to ditch all of the leagues and simply just focus on Baseball inside the United States, and do it well on an unparelleled level. This would mean a full working NCAA universe, full summer leagues, full colligate leagues etc.. It would mean finally doing finances to levels of detail never seen before.

I still think you would need a way to get international players, and I think they should have an artificial way to get players' posted. Currently this can only be done by having international leagues' active.

I know they won't do it, but I wouldn't really care at this point if they dumped the KBO...I mean, there's really no point in having a license for it unless you are going to have the other leagues to work with it. The money saved could be used for something much more engaging perhaps. KBO without *** and other major international leagues makes no sense, unless there is a truly realistic chance all of these licenses could somehow be acquired in the near future.

[JerseyDan421]

I hope there's a way to make the players from those international leagues(at least those who have played in the MLB) free agents, so we can still sign them if we choose to.. instead of just deleting them from the database totally

I would also love, if a modder(even with a fake name for the international leagues and teams) create them and have the REAL players on those teams... heck, I'd even be willing to donate some $$$ to them.

[Aceshigh24]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

In some ways, it might be time to ditch all of the leagues and simply just focus on Baseball inside the United States, and do it well on an unparelleled level. This would mean a full working NCAA universe, full summer leagues, full colligate leagues etc.. It would mean finally doing finances to levels of detail never seen before.

This right here I would pay the big bucks for.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

In the post making the announcement stating OOTP 24 would only include licensed leagues (MLB, MiLB, U.S. Independent Leagues and KBO) it was not clear if this would affect tournaments? The thread was immediately closed, so there was no chance to ask any follow-up questions, so I am doing so here.

Some of the draft leagues are obviously covered under the MLB license, but it is unclear if others are also??? For example, What about leagues such as the PECOS or Empire League...these are not MLB partner leagues.

As far as tournaments, the Cape Cod League appears to be independent of say the MLB Prospect or Draft leagues...I do not know for sure, but I feel it's a reasonable question.

What about the World Baseball Classic? (although there's probably not a need for this as much now).

Just looking for some clarification....thank you.

About the non-MLB partner Indy leagues, these will get removed, but not due to legal reasons but because these mostly caused problems due to small team rosters and some settings. The international tournament we have in the game stays, as this never was the official "World Baseball Classic".