Starting Pitcher Stamina does not effect fatigue rate

Bobfather · 05-14-2023, 05:19 AM

Fact: after playing a season and a half. All starting pitchers fatigue at the same rate. 50 pitches to go from blue to green, and at 105 pitches they go to yellow. etc
Conjecture: It seemed that fatigue has no effect on performance. IE pitchers in red for multiple innings are not giving up significantly more baserunners. I have seen 1 player at over 135 pitches throw 3 perfect innings striking out 7 and averaging only 4 pitches per batter. While exhausted. Has this happened to anyone else?

My league started with the 2019 season with version 20. I am currently in 2040. I started the 2039 season with version 24. I noticed this issue with the 2039 season. This started out as an MLB league. But is now entirely fictional. Besides changing from 23 to 24, there have been no other significant changes to the league.

uruguru · 05-15-2023, 11:29 AM

Try this test... make a copy of your save and set one starting pitcher stamina to max (250 in the editor). Then sim the season and see if he goes more innings. I have traditionally seen a measurable increase in complete games for high-stamina pitchers in previous releases so, if you don't see it now, it has to be a recently introduced bug.

Will_L · 05-15-2023, 06:36 PM

My SPs are going to yellow and red at different pitch numbers that look very much relative to their stamina ratings, generally yellow when the reach their rating if they have a 60 or lower stamina, a pitch or few pitches more from the low 60s on up. My low stamina guys go red in the 80s, 60 & 70 guys at 90+ and the 80+ guys around 100 pitches plus.
I have noticed that the fatigued effect sometimes seems to have little effect on the hitters but I think that depends on whether they're swinging freely or taking pitches because I do see a lot more walks at that point.

Bobfather · 05-15-2023, 08:52 PM

Conjecture: It seemed that fatigue has no effect on performance. IE pitchers in red for multiple innings are not giving up significantly more baserunners. I have seen 1 player at over 135 pitches throw 3 perfect innings striking out 7 and averaging only 4 pitches per batter. While exhausted. Has this happened to anyone else?
This part is recency bias. I was wrong, that appearance was on outlier.

Bobfather · 05-19-2023, 07:47 PM

Any suggestions on how to fix the fatigue at same rate issue?

05-14-2023, 05:19 AM	#1
Bobfather All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Ma. Posts: 1,659	Starting Pitcher Stamina does not effect fatigue rate Fact: after playing a season and a half. All starting pitchers fatigue at the same rate. 50 pitches to go from blue to green, and at 105 pitches they go to yellow. etc Conjecture: It seemed that fatigue has no effect on performance. IE pitchers in red for multiple innings are not giving up significantly more baserunners. I have seen 1 player at over 135 pitches throw 3 perfect innings striking out 7 and averaging only 4 pitches per batter. While exhausted. Has this happened to anyone else? My league started with the 2019 season with version 20. I am currently in 2040. I started the 2039 season with version 24. I noticed this issue with the 2039 season. This started out as an MLB league. But is now entirely fictional. Besides changing from 23 to 24, there have been no other significant changes to the league. __________________ I play out every game—one pitch mode.

05-15-2023, 06:36 PM	#3
Will_L All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Laurelton, NY Posts: 590	My SPs are going to yellow and red at different pitch numbers that look very much relative to their stamina ratings, generally yellow when the reach their rating if they have a 60 or lower stamina, a pitch or few pitches more from the low 60s on up. My low stamina guys go red in the 80s, 60 & 70 guys at 90+ and the 80+ guys around 100 pitches plus. I have noticed that the fatigued effect sometimes seems to have little effect on the hitters but I think that depends on whether they're swinging freely or taking pitches because I do see a lot more walks at that point. __________________

05-15-2023, 08:52 PM	#4
Bobfather All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Ma. Posts: 1,659	Conjecture: It seemed that fatigue has no effect on performance. IE pitchers in red for multiple innings are not giving up significantly more baserunners. I have seen 1 player at over 135 pitches throw 3 perfect innings striking out 7 and averaging only 4 pitches per batter. While exhausted. Has this happened to anyone else? This part is recency bias. I was wrong, that appearance was on outlier. __________________ I play out every game—one pitch mode.

05-19-2023, 07:47 PM	#5
Bobfather All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Ma. Posts: 1,659	Any suggestions on how to fix the fatigue at same rate issue? __________________ I play out every game—one pitch mode.

05-15-2023, 11:29 AM	#2
uruguru All Star Starter Join Date: May 2022 Posts: 1,277	Try this test... make a copy of your save and set one starting pitcher stamina to max (250 in the editor). Then sim the season and see if he goes more innings. I have traditionally seen a measurable increase in complete games for high-stamina pitchers in previous releases so, if you don't see it now, it has to be a recently introduced bug.