How do coaches decide to play goalies?

BlueLemming · 02-04-2023, 11:42 PM

I play FHM with a CPU head coach and I find their handling of goalies to be difficult to figure out. What makes them decide to play one goalie more than the other? Do hot/cold streaks have a larger influence than ability?

Here's one example in particular that confused me: I have two goalies that are 2.5 in ability. They ended the regular season with 66 and 19 games played. However, in the playoffs, my coach went with the goalie who had 19 games for the entirety of the playoffs (23 games). They've both been healthy all year.

What could have influenced that? He ended up playing very well, but I would have expected the goalie with 66 games to at least start the first game. Was it simply that one goalie was determined "hot" going into the playoffs?

I've attached screenshots of their stats and streak status (after the playoffs ended).

Spartacus70 · 02-05-2023, 04:44 PM

There is a long known issue with the use of goalies..... For 4-5 years of tests, it's partially a roster issue. The non elite GK are too good, especially in the STA and Mental Toughness attributes. As a exemple, look at your backup goalie : 17 in mental toughness and already 15 in STA....17 in Reflexesses. Do a test with is mental toughnes at 7, consistency at 8 and STA at 10! You will see the difference.

AdequateRandomGaming · 02-08-2023, 11:03 AM

It's been a long known issue that the computer puts way too much emphasis on hot streaks. Can screw you up right out of the preseason if your backup does well during games that don't count.

Savoie45 · 02-09-2023, 01:50 PM

I simply don't let the CPU make roster moves for me, problem solved.

Spartacus70 · 02-09-2023, 05:26 PM

Do a test with is mental toughness at 7, consistency at 8 and STA at 10! You will see the difference.
Most of the backup GK will never acheve a hot streak! And they will be more fatigued between games....

northjersey · 02-18-2023, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spartacus70

Do a test with is mental toughness at 7, consistency at 8 and STA at 10! You will see the difference.
Most of the backup GK will never acheve a hot streak! And they will be more fatigued between games....

for the most part this fix seems to be working, but seeing some exceptions (such as Detroit with Hellberg starting over Husso).

Spartacus70 · 02-19-2023, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by northjersey

for the most part this fix seems to be working, but seeing some exceptions (such as Detroit with Hellberg starting over Husso).

Apparently they started to work on this aspect in the beta update. Told me if it help to.

northjersey · 02-20-2023, 03:19 PM

i'm curious how their "fix" will work on existing saves of seasons in progress. if it's going to check to make sure the backup isn't getting too many starts, how will the fix know which one in the starter and which is the backup, for cpu run teams? I'm curious the logic that is implemented to prevent cpu backup goalies from getting more starts the the actual #1 goalie

Spartacus70 · 02-28-2023, 09:25 AM

Hi! You guys feels that things are better after the last update in regards of Ai GK use?

northjersey · 02-28-2023, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spartacus70

Hi! You guys feels that things are better after the last update in regards of Ai GK use?

so far so good

Spartacus70 · 03-01-2023, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by northjersey

so far so good

?!! Little or a big difference?

matt#5 · 03-01-2023, 11:15 AM

in my new save games (one in european league, one in NHL): big difference

Spartacus70 · 03-01-2023, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt#5

in my new save games (one in european league, one in NHL): big difference

Nice to earing.Thank you.

northjersey · 03-05-2023, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spartacus70

?!! Little or a big difference?

seems to be working for just about all of the NHL teams that I noticed were playing a backup goalie too much

exceptions seems to be Jonathan Quick(LA/Vegas) and Thomas Greiss (STL)

tomkmb · 03-07-2023, 08:26 AM

It's reassuring to hear that this latest patch has had some impact on goalie rotations for guys who were experiencing issues with it, that had been a long standing issue as far as I can remember!

02-05-2023, 04:44 PM	#2
Spartacus70 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Sao Paulo, Brasil Posts: 202	There is a long known issue with the use of goalies..... For 4-5 years of tests, it's partially a roster issue. The non elite GK are too good, especially in the STA and Mental Toughness attributes. As a exemple, look at your backup goalie : 17 in mental toughness and already 15 in STA....17 in Reflexesses. Do a test with is mental toughnes at 7, consistency at 8 and STA at 10! You will see the difference. Last edited by Spartacus70; 02-09-2023 at 05:23 PM. Reason: spelling error

02-04-2023, 11:42 PM	#1
BlueLemming Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 103	How do coaches decide to play goalies? I play FHM with a CPU head coach and I find their handling of goalies to be difficult to figure out. What makes them decide to play one goalie more than the other? Do hot/cold streaks have a larger influence than ability? Here's one example in particular that confused me: I have two goalies that are 2.5 in ability. They ended the regular season with 66 and 19 games played. However, in the playoffs, my coach went with the goalie who had 19 games for the entirety of the playoffs (23 games). They've both been healthy all year. What could have influenced that? He ended up playing very well, but I would have expected the goalie with 66 games to at least start the first game. Was it simply that one goalie was determined "hot" going into the playoffs? I've attached screenshots of their stats and streak status (after the playoffs ended). Attached Images

02-08-2023, 11:03 AM	#3
AdequateRandomGaming Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 208	It's been a long known issue that the computer puts way too much emphasis on hot streaks. Can screw you up right out of the preseason if your backup does well during games that don't count.

02-09-2023, 01:50 PM	#4
Savoie45 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Oregon Posts: 700	I simply don't let the CPU make roster moves for me, problem solved.

02-09-2023, 05:26 PM	#5
Spartacus70 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Sao Paulo, Brasil Posts: 202	Do a test with is mental toughness at 7, consistency at 8 and STA at 10! You will see the difference. Most of the backup GK will never acheve a hot streak! And they will be more fatigued between games....

02-20-2023, 03:19 PM	#8
northjersey Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2022 Posts: 189	i'm curious how their "fix" will work on existing saves of seasons in progress. if it's going to check to make sure the backup isn't getting too many starts, how will the fix know which one in the starter and which is the backup, for cpu run teams? I'm curious the logic that is implemented to prevent cpu backup goalies from getting more starts the the actual #1 goalie

02-28-2023, 09:25 AM	#9
Spartacus70 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Sao Paulo, Brasil Posts: 202	Hi! You guys feels that things are better after the last update in regards of Ai GK use?

03-01-2023, 11:15 AM	#12
matt#5 Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Straubing, Germany Posts: 414	in my new save games (one in european league, one in NHL): big difference

03-07-2023, 08:26 AM	#15
tomkmb All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 1,482	It's reassuring to hear that this latest patch has had some impact on goalie rotations for guys who were experiencing issues with it, that had been a long standing issue as far as I can remember!