Wow…It’s really Dead

[PSUColonel]

I don’t know..I know some will say it’s the time of year, but I disagree…it’s never been this bad in the past, but it’s just dead around here. Very little discussion about the future….flame wars…and just a general sense of apathy.

I have been around here 23-24 years, and there’s never been such a vibe like this.

[BIG17EASY]

I may be skeptical, but I do not see this thread going in a positive direction.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

I may be skeptical, but I do not see this thread going in a positive direction.

Not intended to be negative…it’s just that it seems a lot of the passion that existed for bettering OOTP seems to be missing. Just a general feeling of apathy.

EDIT: perhaps too many of the “old timers” have moved on and that’s the issue? I don’t know.

[thehef]

I miss the days when the Historical forum was filled with discussion about settings and workarounds and what works best.. Now it's mostly a dynasty forum. Nothing wrong with that, but not as interesting to me... That said, I think that's partially a credit to how far OOTP historical has come. IOW, so many of those workarounds and tweaks have been incorporated into the game...

[Scipio Africanus]

I've been around for a few years and it seems like I've seen the same conversations about game mechanics over and over and over again. Maybe everyone just figures it's all been talked about, especially given that a lot of the discussion revolves around mechanics that are mostly black boxes without any concrete idea on how they actually work.

Or maybe everyone just left for Twitch, Twitter, Discord, Reddit, etc.

[actionjackson]

[David Watts]

Why in the world did the Thankful for OOTP thread get moved?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Why in the world did the Thankful for OOTP thread get moved?

who knows anymore....I suppose because the conversation was not really about OOTP any longer.

[thehef]

Maybe what we need is a good old discussion about whether OOTP should use Guardians instead of Indians for the Cleveland franchise!

Just kidding Please, please don't, and instead just try to find the silly humor in this

[Eugene Church]

No problem with humor, thehef... I'm all for it.
Laughter is a great medicine and good for the soul.

Please be civil in this thread... let's not get out of hand and out of control... let's be constructive.
It is fine to state your opinions... it is fine to disagree... but please don't attack anyone personally.

Sorry, I don't like saying this... but for the last year I have had the same thoughts... the forums I visit are not as active as they used to be... one would think it would get even more active with the increase in sales and the new game Perfect Team and the income it generated.

My main interests are in graphics, 3D animation and the Dynasty Forum... not much else... I have always enjoyed following the OOTP Mods Forum... now there are some days when there are no posts on it other than in the stickied threads... 5 years ago it was really active... those wonderful graphics gurus created logos, jerseys and caps for 64 teams for me for my IPA dynasty league... and they did a superb job... I think I have some very nice graphics... I love playing out my games because of the immersion I get from the beautiful logos and jerseys... they did it for other folks, too... I was not the only one.

My views on the Islandian Pro Alliance dynasty report more than tripled when I began using the wonderful new graphics on it... not sure who told me I needed to spice up the dynasty report with logos, jerseys and caps, but it worked.... from 75 per day to 300 a day...

Not so anymore... the graphics guys have in the last 1-2 years begun to create their own specialized threads for logos and jerseys... they don't do personal requests very much anymore.... that's fine... I understand that... I'm not complaining... I could see that they could get burned out or wanted to go in a different direction.

I have also seen a big drop in my Dynasty League views in the last few months... my viewership is down 50%... 300 a day to 150 a day.. the best day I ever had was an amazing 825 views... now granted... my dynasty is about 15 years old and is primarily a "stats dump" and has probably stagnated gradually over time... it has no great storylines or gifted writers like the premier dynasty reports... but that is a big drop in a short time.

What is the reason?... not sure... but we have lost a lot of the oldtimers over the years... hope we can all work together in harmony and continue to improve the great game of OOTP Baseball.

[jimmysthebestcop]

Cause the future of ootp is the same as the past. It will fix bugs, try to improve 3d, maybe update a small part of the GUI and do small incremental improvements like it has always done. Ootp is the definition of status quo.

It will never take a revolutionary step Colonel because it will never get popular enough. It has almost 0 pulse in the content creator and streaming community. And that community is the one who pushes game sales.

But for every person ootp loses it will gain another person nearing retirement or the random user who will play for a couple versions and move. So it will never die but it will never take a giant leap forward.

Ever notice how so many users post about how far OOTP has come but it's always remember in version 4. 20 years in gaming is 5 lifetimes. Ootp moves like a snail.

Like others have stated the perfect team community now drives ootp changes because perfect team is the bread winner now. Mostly overlap in game management and lineups and sim engine. You can forget about ootp ever becoming a great GM game.

I was hoping the sale wouod give it new life blood but it appears to still be status quo. If there is new user blood it's all in perfect team and not the single player game.

Most likely a large portion of the single player game community is satisfied. So there will never be urgency to take a revolutionary step into the future. Ootp doesn't have to do that to get profit. It has its single player community already. For every player they lose it gains.

The growth is perfect team which probably led to the sale. Since Com2us is Korean and ootp is the only non Korean studio. The only thing ootp has in common with all the other studios is the perfect team micro transactions. They have much more successful MLB license mobile games already. But they don't have that history of baseball that perfect team has. Perhaps that led to the acquisition. Who knows.

I don't think this comment is negative or positive. Ootp is what it is. It will never be more but it will never be less. It's improvements are judged in decades not yearly updates. Ootp does get better it just takes half to a full dozen versions.

I bought 6 versions but I can't see myself ever buying another version again. It just moves to slow for me personally. I'll monitor for ootp 24 but I doubt it will update enough for me to jump back into it.

I like a lot more stuff then just baseball. There is so many great games out there I can't be bothered with a game that moves to improvements so slow. Any more time or hours spent on ootp from me is just pointless and a waste.

Colonel you have to separate baseball from ootp. Either get your baseball fix from something else, your gaming fix from some where else or just be content with ootp.

Me I'm certainly not content. So I'll be gaming else where and looking for my baseball fix else where too. I don't need a game as deep or as realistic as ootp. I just need a fun baseball game I can spend like 20-50 hours playing over the course of the spring/summer

[Eugene Church]

Most of the long-time players understand what OOTP is... it is a game produced by a small group of people with limited resources.

It may remain this way with limited improvements and limited fixes year-after-year... but I am fine with this... I wish the Korean company would really get involved in OOTP and use their resources to greatly expand the game and make it into a spectacular game... that would be great.

Until then, I will continue to support OOTP and buy each new version and over time I will have a better game to enjoy.

I am very, very happy with the current game... I really enjoy it... it has come a long, long way in the last 20 years... if there is never another version of OOTP, I can happily continue to play OOTP23 and be content.

Sorry to hear that you are not as happy and contented as I am... I hope you will soon find a baseball game that you can enjoy, too.

[Scipio Africanus]

Eugene, I wouldn't be surprised if the new format for jerseys killed a lot of the graphics work in the mods threads. The new jerseys are more complicated to learn to create.

[jimmysthebestcop]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

Most of the long-time players understand what OOTP is... it is a game produced by a small group of people with limited resources.

It may remain this way with limited improvements and limited fixes year-after-year... but I am fine with this... I wish the Korean company would really get involved in OOTP and use their resources to greatly expand the game and make it into a spectacular game... that would be great.

Until then, I will continue to support OOTP and buy each new version and over time I will have a better game to enjoy.

I am very, very happy with the current game... I really enjoy it... it has come a long, long way in the last 20 years... if there is never another version of OOTP, I can happily continue to play OOTP23 and be content.

Sorry to hear that you are not as happy and contented as I am... I hope you will soon find a baseball game that you can enjoy, too.

Thanks EC. It's all good. I enjoyed it for 4 out of 6 versions I bought and played. So overall it was positive. It ran it's course for me. The only version I probably regret buying was 23. Most likely by 23 I was already finished with ootp but I tried to hang on for 1 year to many. Nothing to do with 23 itself just by that point I was already done with what ootp was as a game

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by Scipio Africanus

Eugene, I wouldn't be surprised if the new format for jerseys killed a lot of the graphics work in the mods threads. The new jerseys are more complicated to learn to create.

Good observation, Scipio... thanks.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Scipio Africanus

Eugene, I wouldn't be surprised if the new format for jerseys killed a lot of the graphics work in the mods threads. The new jerseys are more complicated to learn to create.

actually, due to the great work of eriqjaffe it's very easy to make uniforms via his "Uniform Maker". In fact, I'd argue it's easier than it's ever been.

[Eugene Church]

Thanks for the info, PSUColonel.

I use justafan's software to make my logos, jerseys and caps... my work is just average, but it is better than nothing when I am forced to rework a team myself.

Does justafan's software work with the new format?

I don't think it does... justafan hasn't been active on the Mods Forum in the last year or two... I don't think he has updated his software for the new jerseys and pants format.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

Thanks for the info, PSUColonel.

I use justafan's software to make my logos, jerseys and caps... my work is just average, but it is better than nothing when I am forced to rework a team myself.

Does justafan's software work with the new format?

I don't think it does... justafan hasn't been active on the Mods Forum in the last year or two... I don't think he has updated his software for the new jerseys and pants format.

No, Justafan's will not work with the new format. Justafan is pretty much a ghost and it's probably fortunate his utilities are even still available. If you want to use the uniform maker I can help you...I am by no means an expert, but it's fairly easy to get the hang of for basic caps, jerseys and pants. I for one am not a big "pants" guy and pretty much use it for only caps and a few jerseys here and there.

I only view games in 3D from the "press box" view and therefor don't really have a need for ultra detailed uniforms...but I do like legit ball caps for the player profile pages.

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

Sorry, I don't like saying this... but for the last year I have had the same thoughts... the forums I visit are not as active as they used to be... one would think it would get even more active with the increase in sales and the new game Perfect Team and the income it generated.

My main interests are in graphics, 3D animation and the Dynasty Forum... not much else...

Graphic, customization, and the Dynasty Reports are what got me into the game, I love reading the dynasties and miss the days when it was a very active board with people engaged in each others universes and throwing likes your way when they dug something. I don’t see as much interaction in the dynasty forum, which is unfortunate, and I think removing the “thanks” functionality has hurt the board in terms of engagement. The discord is pretty active, but you don’t see a ton of in depth discussion there (maybe in the PT section, but not in the core game areas).

I know a few folks who I really enjoyed talking to on the boards and via the mailbox function have left due to the increase in negativity. That’s a bummer. But, I’d bet it’s a combination of that, people just moving on to other hobbies, choosing to engage with other players in different ways.

I do miss the vibrant dynasty forum we used to have… Worst to First, Introducing Your Hawaii Islanders has been absent for a while, the WP Kinsella League, and so many more that seem to have ended…

[Eugene Church]

Thanks, PSCColonel... appreciate the info and the offer to help with the new jersey format.

I am so challenged computer-wise, I don't think I will attempt the new jerseys and pants.

I watch my games using only two custom camera views... third base from the first level in the stands for the pitch view and behind home plate from the batter's box view for the active camera.

In these views the old pants and jerseys are fine for me.