Players assigned to wrong position in new build

[slugga27]

It has been said in the past that devs can't control what the AI does once a file is started, but I've got some evidence that things are just wrong.

With the latest update, I started a modern-day (2022) save with the Red Sox. Here's the problem and why I refuse to believe this is a case of the AI just being the AI...

Rafael Devers is listed as a right fielder and Xander Bogaerts is listed at third base. What's worse, the default lineup against RHP has Devers and Bogaerts listed at those positions...and it infuriates me because I didn't notice it until after I had started the game on Opening Day. I could have switched it in-game, but I momentarily thought Devers was at DH and therefore, I would have been out of luck.

This needs to be looked at. This cannot be assumed it's a case of the AI switching positions around once the file starts.

[BBGiovanni]

Originally Posted by slugga27

It has been said in the past that devs can't control what the AI does once a file is started, but I've got some evidence that things are just wrong.

With the latest update, I started a modern-day (2022) save with the Red Sox. Here's the problem and why I refuse to believe this is a case of the AI just being the AI...

Rafael Devers is listed as a right fielder and Xander Bogaerts is listed at third base. What's worse, the default lineup against RHP has Devers and Bogaerts listed at those positions...and it infuriates me because I didn't notice it until after I had started the game on Opening Day. I could have switched it in-game, but I momentarily thought Devers was at DH and therefore, I would have been out of luck.

This needs to be looked at. This cannot be assumed it's a case of the AI switching positions around once the file starts.

It's not just in the new build, I have been going through the rosters in an earlier build to make a QS of my own and have noticed several players stuck in positions they don't belong. I've also noticed players coded with too much, or no, experience at positions they've played/never played. I assumed that the AI did it to whoever was saving the final version to upload.

[LansdowneSt]

I saw the Devers issue. He has no RF experience or skill. I don't know why he defaulted there out of the box. I asked the Assistant GM to make the depth charts and line-ups and he shifted to 1B and Xander took 3B, which he has not played in forever. Sometimes it takes a lot of nuance to get the players in the correct opening day slots - because real managers aren't making AI-equivalent logical choices (I can't argue with the fact the Sox need a 1B upgrade) ... but the RF thing is just weird. I have not checked other teams yet. Maybe it sorts after a bit of playing versus the first moment of the game start. i'll put a link in the roster thread to here.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

I saw the Devers issue. He has no RF experience or skill. I don't know why he defaulted there out of the box. I asked the Assistant GM to make the depth charts and line-ups and he shifted to 1B and Xander took 3B, which he has not played in forever. Sometimes it takes a lot of nuance to get the players in the correct opening day slots - because real managers aren't making AI-equivalent logical choices (I can't argue with the fact the Sox need a 1B upgrade) ... but the RF thing is just weird. I have not checked other teams yet. Maybe it sorts after a bit of playing versus the first moment of the game start. i'll put a link in the roster thread to here.

Devers has decent component OF ratings, though no experience there, and the AI is apparently trying to make him into a RF. As much as the OP won't like the answer, it really is just the AI doing its thing.

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Devers has decent component OF ratings, though no experience there, and the AI is apparently trying to make him into a RF. As much as the OP won't like the answer, it really is just the AI doing its thing.

But it doesn’t make sense that the AI is making these moves at the inception of a new file. Particularly when the human is in full control of the team.


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[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by slugga27

But it doesn’t make sense that the AI is making these moves at the inception of a new file. Particularly when the human is in full control of the team.
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The AI takes its first pass through when we actually create the quickstart and standard game files. So before you ever start playing your game, the AI has already taken a first pass through and set the initial rosters and lineups.

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

The AI takes it's first pass through when we actually create the quickstart and standard game files. So before you ever start playing your game, the AI has already taken a first pass through and set the initial rosters and lineups.

Okay, THAT makes more sense. Don’t like it, but I feel better now.


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[LansdowneSt]

Still seems odd that Raffy has any decent OF ratings but as a Red Sox fan that watched Hanley Rameriez play in left field, ... I've seen crazier human GM ideas. And when the AI bench coach had a pass, Raffy was at first.

[Lukas Berger]

Just some additional info here, the issue is that the AI reeaally wants to play Enrique Hernandez at 2B, since he's still (over)rated based on his preseason projections, and it sees the way it's moving things around as the logical way to do this, since Story is equally good at SS as Bogaerts.

If we make Hernandez worse to more reflect the actual season he had, then the AI doesn't do the shuffling of 2B,3B,SS and RF any more. So I did that now and for the next patch, the AI should go back to a more realistic alignment here.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Still seems odd that Raffy has any decent OF ratings but as a Red Sox fan that watched Hanley Rameriez play in left field, ... I've seen crazier human GM ideas. And when the AI bench coach had a pass, Raffy was at first.

I mean, lots of guys get moved to the OF later in their careers. I bet Devers will at some point. Or maybe just 1B. Time will tell.

If we don't give a guy like Devers a rating that will at least let him move to OF when he's older, then someone will complain about that

So it's very much like walking a tightrope to get this sort of thing right

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Just some additional info here, the issue is that the AI reeaally wants to play Enrique Hernandez at 2B, since he's still (over)rated based on his preseason projections, and it sees the way it's moving things around as the logical way to do this, since Story is equally good at SS as Bogaerts.

If we make Hernandez worse to more reflect the actual season he had, then the AI doesn't do the shuffling of 2B,3B,SS and RF any more. So I did that now and for the next patch, the AI should go back to a more realistic alignment here.

This stuff isn't going to start happening in the historical game is it?

[Pelican]

This is bringing back unpleasant memories of my Little League days. I think my manager's mantra for me was "if at first you don't succeed, try the outfield". I actually was a much better outfielder. Including late in my career.