Autocalc

[panda234]

I’m 60 years into a save and wondering if I should run autocalc. I’m not seeing any obvious problems and I’d hate to see the stats on my existing players get hammered.

[Anteater]

If things are looking good, I wouldn't do anything differently.

[panda234]

I was hoping for that. Thx.

[md40022]

Do not auto calc if you dont have to.

Take it from someone who never auto calcd ever and had no statistical issues at all. Then starting this year I decided to start to use auto calc on every opening day only to watch the league wide BABIP shoot up to .325 (new record by a mile) one year and then drop down to .265 (lowest it's been in over 100 years) the very next year.....

If you're 60 years in and flowing smooth - do not touch that auto calc haha

[Eugene Church]

Don't fix it, if it ain't broke.

If you're happy, just keep on truckin'.

Over the years I have heard many times, don't mess with auto-calc.
Do a search for threads by action jackson... he seemed to really know auto-calc... don't think he was in favor of using it.

[locuspc]

Especially in this year's version auto-calc seems a little wonky. You get issues like a new player breaking Bonds's home run record every season and stuff like that. If it's working and giving you results you like I'd absolutely leave well enough alone.

[Bluenoser]

Why would you run it?

What's so special about 60 years? Why didn't you wonder at 50 or 40 years?

Why would you run it now, if nothing is wrong with your totals?

[Sweed]

To panda234.. I'm in the camp of why fix something that isn't broke. You're happy with current stats, come and ask if you should run autocalc, and then respond with "I was hoping for that. Thx.", when told "no".

Sounds like you had already answered your own question.

Originally Posted by md40022

Do not auto calc if you dont have to.

Take it from someone who never auto calcd ever and had no statistical issues at all. Then starting this year I decided to start to use auto calc on every opening day only to watch the league wide BABIP shoot up to .325 (new record by a mile) one year and then drop down to .265 (lowest it's been in over 100 years) the very next year.....

If you're 60 years in and flowing smooth - do not touch that auto calc haha

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

Don't fix it, if it ain't broke.

If you're happy, just keep on truckin'.

Over the years I have heard many times, don't mess with auto-calc.
Do a search for threads by action jackson... he seemed to really know auto-calc... don't think he was in favor of using it.

For some balance about autocalc.

I have manually (and maybe that's why it has always worked for me) run autocalc since it was first introduced. I also manually do it every year for each level of MiLB. That is six leagues MLB-RA (now ACL) per year, maybe 5 minutes to do.

After each MLB season I would write a comparison of LTs vs league output and never had an issue with autocalc resulting in unexpected results, high or low. For MiLB I would visually check each league and compare to LTs. All was and still is well. After a number of seasons, with results being so consistently good I did quit writing down results for MLB too. However I do still visually check the output vs LTs and still get expected results.

Maybe it's because I don't check the "automatically run autocalc" button but do it myself manually. IDK why that would make a difference? One would think it would simply lead to the same code as manually running the option? But it does seem most that report issues are not running it manually. At least that is my impression from the threads I have read.


Autocalc first appeared in OOTP12, IIRC, and from then until now I still count it as one of the best features added since I began play with v4 in 2002.

Screenshot from v12, my first full played out season using autocalc. Followed by the last season I where did a written comparison in v18. Every season after has just been the aforementioned visual review.

Sorry, no matter how I try I can't get the screenshots to rotate to right side up.

[locuspc]

The problem with auto-calc isn't the league totals it's the individual stats. I'd rather have home runs total in the league short 20% and the home run leader hitting 56 HRs than have home runs total in the league dead on and and the home run leader hitting 70. Both situations are screwed up but the latter jumps out at me more, and the latter is what autocalc gives you while the former is what you get without it.

The problem apparently isn't with autocalc but with fictional player generation, but autocalc makes the problems with generated players more obvious.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by locuspc

The problem with auto-calc isn't the league totals it's the individual stats. I'd rather have home runs total in the league short 20% and the home run leader hitting 56 HRs than have home runs total in the league dead on and and the home run leader hitting 70. Both situations are screwed up but the latter jumps out at me more, and the latter is what autocalc gives you while the former is what you get without it.

The problem apparently isn't with autocalc but with fictional player generation, but autocalc makes the problems with generated players more obvious.

Which is fine in the context of it may be a v23 problem. It should not lead to users thinking autocalc is something to avoid just because someone posted, now or in the past, saying just that. IMHO there are too many features that get a "that doesn't work" but neglect the "for me" or "IMHO" part. Followed by suggestions to "stay away" etc.

The OP simply asked if after 60 yrs if he should run it. The answer of "don't fix what isn't broke" is a fair answer and one I agree with.

With regard to v23 and player generation...

I play out all games so progress is slow. I'll get in probably three seasons with v23 meaning whether fixed in a patch (if there is a reproduceable bug) or for v24, I'll probably not see much of an issue. FWIW I started OOTP in the steroid era where the boppers were almost routinely hitting 60+ HR, IRL and OOTP. With autocalc it was simple to lower the LT and then get the new LTM to get my game where I wanted it. v18 through v22 with multiple seasons played I've had one guy hit 60 once (I liked seeing this outlier), 50 ish on occasion, and even a year where 38 was the high. Again, maybe v23 has an issue with player generation and, if that's the case then going down the "autocalc bad" road is not the answer.

I did post the screen showing my actual data. I have done so in the past, just not a picture, to show how accurate it works in my game. This doesn't mean distribution is perfect. Distribution is a totally separate topic. I'm just trying to put some balance to the autocalc question for those that read the tread

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Which is fine in the context of it may be a v23 problem. It should not lead to users thinking autocalc is something to avoid just because someone posted, now or in the past, saying just that. IMHO there are too many features that get a "that doesn't work" but neglect the "for me" or "IMHO" part. Followed by suggestions to "stay away" etc.

The OP simply asked if after 60 yrs if he should run it. The answer of "don't fix what isn't broke" is a fair answer and one I agree with.

With regard to v23 and player generation...

I play out all games so progress is slow. I'll get in probably three seasons with v23 meaning whether fixed in a patch (if there is a reproduceable bug) or for v24, I'll probably not see much of an issue. FWIW I started OOTP in the steroid era where the boppers were almost routinely hitting 60+ HR, IRL and OOTP. With autocalc it was simple to lower the LT and then get the new LTM to get my game where I wanted it. v18 through v22 with multiple seasons played I've had one guy hit 60 once (I liked seeing this outlier), 50 ish on occasion, and even a year where 38 was the high. Again, maybe v23 has an issue with player generation and, if that's the case then going down the "autocalc bad" road is not the answer.

I did post the screen showing my actual data. I have done so in the past, just not a picture, to show how accurate it works in my game. This doesn't mean distribution is perfect. Distribution is a totally separate topic. I'm just trying to put some balance to the autocalc question for those that read the tread

Sweed knows his stuff about this game... don't pay a lot of attention to me... my only dealing with autocalc was on the threads where actionjackson helped me... so I only have a one-sided view of a two-sided question.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

Sweed knows his stuff about this game... don't pay a lot of attention to me... my only dealing with autocalc was on the threads where actionjackson helped me... so I only have a one-sided view of a two-sided question.

And if that works for you that is a good thing EC. Same for you, as the OP, if it's not broke in your game? don't fix it.

[dcordash]

Originally Posted by Sweed

To panda234.. I'm in the camp of why fix something that isn't broke. You're happy with current stats, come and ask if you should run autocalc, and then respond with "I was hoping for that. Thx.", when told "no".

Sounds like you had already answered your own question.






For some balance about autocalc.

I have manually (and maybe that's why it has always worked for me) run autocalc since it was first introduced. I also manually do it every year for each level of MiLB. That is six leagues MLB-RA (now ACL) per year, maybe 5 minutes to do.

After each MLB season I would write a comparison of LTs vs league output and never had an issue with autocalc resulting in unexpected results, high or low. For MiLB I would visually check each league and compare to LTs. All was and still is well. After a number of seasons, with results being so consistently good I did quit writing down results for MLB too. However I do still visually check the output vs LTs and still get expected results.

Maybe it's because I don't check the "automatically run autocalc" button but do it myself manually. IDK why that would make a difference? One would think it would simply lead to the same code as manually running the option? But it does seem most that report issues are not running it manually. At least that is my impression from the threads I have read.


Autocalc first appeared in OOTP12, IIRC, and from then until now I still count it as one of the best features added since I began play with v4 in 2002.

Screenshot from v12, my first full played out season using autocalc. Followed by the last season I where did a written comparison in v18. Every season after has just been the aforementioned visual review.

Sorry, no matter how I try I can't get the screenshots to rotate to right side up.

That's another thing. We see disputes just like this. Where 3 guys say a certain setting is wonky and actually produce fairly objective evidence that demonstrates it. Another couple guys say the exact opposite and have anecdotal info (sometimes actual screenshots) that suggest the exact opposite.

Tell ya, once again it's not reassuring anyone that there is a consistent element in this game you can hang your hats on.

[quillenl]

What dispute? It looks like every single post here basically said "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Some gave more reasons than others... but I am missing the dispute.

[dcordash]

Originally Posted by quillenl

What dispute? It looks like every single post here basically said "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Some gave more reasons than others... but I am missing the dispute.

Autocalc first appeared in OOTP12, IIRC, and from then until now I still count it as one of the best features added since I began play with v4 in 2002.
From one poster.

From another
Do not auto calc if you dont have to.

Take it from someone who never auto calcd ever and had no statistical issues at all. Then starting this year I decided to start to use auto calc on every opening day only to watch the league wide BABIP shoot up to .325 (new record by a mile) one year and then drop down to .265 (lowest it's been in over 100 years) the very next year.....


If that's not a dispute (we can call it a disagreement, contention, clash, contrast, or whatever the freak you want to call it) what is? Now some of you are trying to gaslight my interpretation of written threads that anyone else can read and suggest "what dispute?".

You really need to drop the gaslighting of the game in general because it's starting to reflect on obvious stuff you can't refute. It's etching itself into your every reaction. Not good, my friend.

[quillenl]

Originally Posted by dcordash

You really need to drop the gaslighting of the game in general because it's starting to reflect on obvious stuff you can't refute. It's etching itself into your every reaction. Not good, my friend.

Now you are just being a jerk... and ignorant. You are pulling snippits from the above post to accuse someone who has "never replied to you in a thread before" of who knows what the hell you are talking about.

Every reply here steered the OP towards not autocalcing and you said there was a dispute. I asked what dispute you say and you went on a tirade about gaslighting?


You need help and you are making this forum an unpleasant experience. Congratulation I suppose if that is your agenda..

[dcordash]

Originally Posted by quillenl

Now you are just being a jerk... and ignorant. You are pulling snippits from the above post to accuse someone who has "never replied to you in a thread before" of who knows what the hell you are talking about.

Every reply here steered the OP towards not autocalcing and you said there was a dispute. I asked what dispute you say and you went on a tirade about gaslighting?


You need help and you are making this forum an unpleasant experience. Congratulation I suppose if that is your agenda..

I made an observation, that I still believe I'm correct about, and you said it never happened. Am I supposed to just let that comment hang out there w/o any sort of rebuttal?

I'm sorry, but if you're going to be negative to me..I have the same right.