Drafts with random player files are completely broken

[BridgeGoth]

My favorite mode is to do inaugural drafts in historical leagues with random player files in various years to get different players and see how they do in different eras.

Anyways, I loaded a random player file, and literally every pitcher is listed as a RP, there are no starters listed at all, there are lots of starters that were created, but they are improperly categorized. This has the obvious issue of making things very hard to sort, especially later in the draft when there aren't too many SPs left.

This however is the least of the issues with this bug.
Not only is everyone being listed as a RP a pain in the ass, there aren’t nearly enough starters available so the whole thing is effed up.

For example, in 22 I could draft bad starters or low stamina starters easily as 5th starters or long relief. Now it’s nothing but actual relievers.

Also I think something is wrong with the drafting algorithm. It’s round 26/27 and there are still some awesome hitting options left but only one pitcher over 1 star. 61 pitchers and 480 batters left, and after looking at rosters of the AI, the teams only drafted like 5 hitters each!! This explains why in the 27th round there were 3 and 4 star hitters and not even 2 star pitchers available.

I tested historical drafts with a single set season, no random player files, and when the players were dumped into the draft SPs were listed as SP as they were intended to be, and when I checked rosters they all had some resembles of a normal ratio of hitters/pitchers. A few had too many of one or or the other but nothing insane like with the random player file league where no team even drafted 9 batters.

Hope this helps!

[BridgeGoth]

I realized a soon as I posted I put this in the wrong place, can someone move it please?

[David Watts]

Thanks for posting this. Last night I noticed while looking at 2 or 3 team in a random debut league, that all the pitchers on their reserve rosters were relief pitchers. Will have a closer look when I get home tonight.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by BridgeGoth

My favorite mode is to do inaugural drafts in historical leagues with random player files in various years to get different players and see how they do in different eras.

To help us get closer in replicating, what year did you start the game, and did you narrow the incoming players to one from year x to year y or were they just anyone from baseball history?

Also was it just the inaugural draft or did you press on and see it in the next year's draft too?

[David Watts]

Okay this is crazy. Just looked at the random game I started last night. 28 team league beginning in 2021. The first 80 picks by the AI were position players. Then with pick 81, Lefty Grove gets picked, he is listed as a RP. Then 4 more position players get picked. to close out round #3. This is when it really get good. The AI draft nothing but pitchers for the next 23 straight rounds. They are all RP's and Closers. Thing is pitcher stamina looks okay. Grove's is 80. Bob Lemon is 75. Orel Hershiser is is 70.

The draft is nuts.

[Lukas Berger]

We'll take a look at this, but any specific info you can give about what settings you've used etc when seeing this will be helpful to us in tracking this down.

[Markus Heinsohn]

OK, I have taken a look at this, creating a 1970 league but with random players. I cannot reproduce the problems, everything looked fine.

Which settings exactly did you use to create the league?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

OK, I have taken a look at this, creating a 1970 league but with random players. I cannot reproduce the problems, everything looked fine.

Which settings exactly did you use to create the league?

Create Historical League 2021
Select random debut---minimum 1901 no maximum
Neutralized Stats
stamina based 3 years
Position based 3 years

3 year recalc

disabled historical expansion

created league

deleted 2 teams to get down to 28 and set to 4 divisions of 7 teams each

Ran draft using 47 rounds.

Markus, did you use real stats or neutralized stats? I wonder if the OP in this thread used real or neutral?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

OK, I have taken a look at this, creating a 1970 league but with random players. I cannot reproduce the problems, everything looked fine.

Which settings exactly did you use to create the league?

Okay, used 1970 just like you.

Created random debut no minimum, no maximum
3 year recalc

Ran draft
As you can see in the screen shot, starting in round 4 only pitchers are being selected. All listed as RP. Not seen in the screen shot is how the AI drafts RP's from round 4 all the way through round 25.

[David Watts]

This 1970 was with real stats, so it's happening with both neutral and real.

[Reed]

Markus, or whoever may read this. There is a thread in the history tab that says setting it to 3 year recalc (and switching back to 1 or 5) appears to correct the issue of all the pitchers showing up as relief pitchers.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Reed

Markus, or whoever may read this. There is a thread in the history tab that says setting it to 3 year recalc (and switching back to 1 or 5) appears to correct the issue of all the pitchers showing up as relief pitchers.

Ok, thanks.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Okay, used 1970 just like you.

Created random debut no minimum, no maximum
3 year recalc

Ran draft
As you can see in the screen shot, starting in round 4 only pitchers are being selected. All listed as RP. Not seen in the screen shot is how the AI drafts RP's from round 4 all the way through round 25.Attachment 871030

Can you try a complete reinstallation? Whatever I do, things look fine ehre.

[Lukas Berger]

I cannot recreate this either, even using the exact settings David posted above. So something is very odd here.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

I cannot recreate this either, even using the exact settings David posted above. So something is very odd here.

Before I do the reinstallation, I am going to wait for the patch, plus someone has said that if you change the recalcs from 3 to 5 and back again, it corrects the problem. I have a feeling once the game lists the pitchers as starters, the draft will fix itself. I am assuming the two of you(Markus & Lukas) have the Beta patch installed. Installing one of those is above my skill set, so I always wait till the official patch lands. When I get home from work, I will do the recalc switch and if it changes the pitchers to starting pitchers, I will run a draft and see what happens.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Can you try a complete reinstallation? Whatever I do, things look fine ehre.

Okay earlier in the historical forum, Italyprof posted that when starting a random debut league pitchers import as relief pitchers and closers, no starting pitchers. However, if you switch from your recalc from say 3 to 5, the relief pitchers that are actually starters will change to starters. Tried it and it does just as he said.

Once the pitchers are appropriately labeled starters, relievers and closers, the draft works just like it's supposed to.

One thing I would like to ask is, this year "double weight the current season" is the default for historical seasons and random seasons. Even when 1 year recalc is used, the game has double weight the current year selected as the default. Is there a reason for this? Thanks.

[David Watts]

Works like a charm following patch. Thank you.