Pitching Getting Crushed in Bronze Tourneys

The Bossman · 05-06-2022, 05:07 PM

Anyone else notice almost all pitchers seem to be getting crushed in bronze tournaments? My pitching is noticeably worse and hitting noticeably better than similar teams in past years, and it seems to hold true with other teams I look at as well. I'm regularly winning bronze tourneys with a team ERA of like 6.00 and team OPS of .900+. Not sure if this applies at other levels, I mostly play in bronze.

PeterLaCock · 05-06-2022, 05:27 PM

Haven't really been seeing this in Iron. Just put a bronze team together yesterday and nobody can get outs. Figured it was mostly that I don't have a very good team yet, but my offense is fine...we are just getting outscored. Only been in about 15 tourneys so far and changing around a lot, so small sample size of mediocre players.

revo · 05-06-2022, 06:14 PM

Yes, I've seen it. Every tourney I've examined, the winner and runner-up don't have any SP with an ERA under 6.00.

professor ape · 05-06-2022, 10:39 PM

The Bronze tourney stats are making the 1930NL look like 1968. A 6.00 ERA is the norm at this point.

Ozzie7227 · 05-06-2022, 10:46 PM

Pitching is but a rumor in Bronze tourney world, and defense is a mere suggestion. Embrace the chaos, get your boppers into your lineups and let the big dogs hunt! Chicks dig the long ball!!

Warfsu · 05-07-2022, 12:15 AM

I’ve seen this in the Iron tournaments. Generally, the round I’m eliminated in, it’s generally because my bullpen is just gassed. In one of the tournaments I’m currently in, I’ve given up 51 runs in the first 3 games. I had another earlier today in which I gave up 51 runs total in consecutive games. Once you have that game in which the entire bullpen has to pitch (either a game where you can’t get anyone out, or an extra inning game), you’ll proceed to get pummeled the rest of the series.

Warfsu · 05-07-2022, 12:26 AM

To add, in a Iron tournament I just was eliminated in, i lost 4 games to zero. In those 4 games, I gave up run totals of 15, 19, 17, and 18. Considering this was in the 3rd round of the playoffs already, was this team really that much of a juggernaut? One thing that may have factored in is the fact I had no day off leading up to this series. Any chance they could add a minimum one day off between series?

Mikecouil · 05-07-2022, 01:47 AM

In the salary cap tourneys the winners are just abandoning any attempt at putting together a bullpen and spending all the money on bats from what I've seen.

TwanLX2000 · 05-07-2022, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warfsu

To add, in a Iron tournament I just was eliminated in, i lost 4 games to zero. In those 4 games, I gave up run totals of 15, 19, 17, and 18. Considering this was in the 3rd round of the playoffs already, was this team really that much of a juggernaut? One thing that may have factored in is the fact I had no day off leading up to this series. Any chance they could add a minimum one day off between series?

I’ve actually had a greater issue with starters getting hammered more than relievers, but it may differ in iron where starters have lesser stamina to begin with. It doesn’t hurt that there’s so many ideal switch-hitting bronze early on that the meta isn’t nearly as platoon-based as precious years. I’d say that the extra roster spots could go into pitching as a result, but they seem to be getting equal-opportunity hammered.

Has anyone noticed a major descent for defense in the lower levels, or are these ERAs running close to the FIPs?

Kushiel · 05-07-2022, 08:05 AM

Many complained that hitters can't hit in PT19-PT22. It's just time to readjust. Maybe know that they are going to give up runs anyway so go to power pitchers with lower movement if necessary. Go for the strikeouts on the power hitters?

I am searching like everyone else not stating.

Southern_Aristocrat · 05-07-2022, 12:46 PM

One bad pitching game in the tourneys is the end of the road. I'm playing Iron tournaments and they are pretty wild too. Players need to consider adding a pitcher or two to the roster.

jrgst3 · 05-07-2022, 06:21 PM

Ditto on all of this... pitching with ERAs in the 15s... kinda crazy

Weaseltail · 05-07-2022, 09:22 PM

It seems broken. Curious if this was found during testing, or if it's something recent. Can't believe the devs intended this.

Mikecouil · 05-07-2022, 10:27 PM

The really good pitchers are starting to stand out more and more. Just sort the card shop by highest offer price and you'll see. The daily cap and all bronze tourney results are a big enough sample now to data mine.

DotDash · 05-08-2022, 08:03 AM

Doesn't seem to make much difference to me. I have all the "best" pitchers based on cost, but something seems off.
HR/9 through the roof on pitchers with 80+ movement in bronze...
Incredibly high scoring games in general - seems like at least half of all games have one side scoring 10+ runs. This despite the most-used batters in Bronze (again going by cost) tending to have 60+ defense, which should help the best pitchers in the game do even better.

And yet, some players seem to have cracked the code to be successful in this environment. I've only managed two 3rd/4th place finishes in 27 Bronze tournaments so far, with no idea how to identify the issues my team obviously has. I never messed with strategy in tournaments in previous years and did fine. Perhaps it's more necessary now?

Southern_Aristocrat · 05-08-2022, 12:32 PM

I did some more investigating, at least into Iron results. Looks like power hitters are the way to go offensively. For example I have 27 home runs in 13 games in an Iron tourney at the moment... and I have only the 10th most home runs with 24 out of 32 teams eliminated. ERA's are bonkers. I have no solution to pitching yet...

EDIT: Starting pitcher ERA 6.20 = 3rd best in tourney...

Matt Arnold · 05-09-2022, 03:26 AM

We are aware of the high run environments in some tournaments, and are looking at the matter.

professor ape · 05-09-2022, 09:13 AM

The bottom line is that everyone is in the same boat and it is all relative. You just have to have the mindset that a 5.00 ERA is pretty good in the current Bronze leagues and a .900 OPS is commonplace. You still need just have to alter your view on what defines “good”.

Clavette · 05-09-2022, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikecouil

In the salary cap tourneys the winners are just abandoning any attempt at putting together a bullpen and spending all the money on bats from what I've seen.

This is the standard for cap tournies. People typically fill the bullpen with 40s

kccrtrppua · 05-09-2022, 04:08 PM

I did some data mining in the iron tournaments. From the twelve tourneys that I sampled, only three pitchers had an ERA under 4.00.

05-06-2022, 05:07 PM	#1
The Bossman Bat Boy Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 1	Pitching Getting Crushed in Bronze Tourneys Anyone else notice almost all pitchers seem to be getting crushed in bronze tournaments? My pitching is noticeably worse and hitting noticeably better than similar teams in past years, and it seems to hold true with other teams I look at as well. I'm regularly winning bronze tourneys with a team ERA of like 6.00 and team OPS of .900+. Not sure if this applies at other levels, I mostly play in bronze.

05-06-2022, 10:39 PM	#4
professor ape All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The belly of the beast Posts: 1,498	The Bronze tourney stats are making the 1930NL look like 1968. A 6.00 ERA is the norm at this point. __________________

05-06-2022, 10:46 PM	#5
Ozzie7227 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Arizona Posts: 102	Pitching is but a rumor in Bronze tourney world, and defense is a mere suggestion. Embrace the chaos, get your boppers into your lineups and let the big dogs hunt! Chicks dig the long ball!! __________________

05-07-2022, 08:05 AM	#10
Kushiel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas Posts: 1,810	Many complained that hitters can't hit in PT19-PT22. It's just time to readjust. Maybe know that they are going to give up runs anyway so go to power pitchers with lower movement if necessary. Go for the strikeouts on the power hitters? I am searching like everyone else not stating. __________________ *Favente Deo supero*

05-07-2022, 12:46 PM	#11
Southern_Aristocrat Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 61 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	One bad pitching game in the tourneys is the end of the road. I'm playing Iron tournaments and they are pretty wild too. Players need to consider adding a pitcher or two to the roster. Last edited by Southern_Aristocrat; 05-07-2022 at 12:48 PM.

05-06-2022, 05:27 PM	#2
PeterLaCock Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 24	Haven't really been seeing this in Iron. Just put a bronze team together yesterday and nobody can get outs. Figured it was mostly that I don't have a very good team yet, but my offense is fine...we are just getting outscored. Only been in about 15 tourneys so far and changing around a lot, so small sample size of mediocre players.

05-06-2022, 06:14 PM	#3
revo Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 96	Yes, I've seen it. Every tourney I've examined, the winner and runner-up don't have any SP with an ERA under 6.00.

05-07-2022, 12:15 AM	#6
Warfsu Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 111	I’ve seen this in the Iron tournaments. Generally, the round I’m eliminated in, it’s generally because my bullpen is just gassed. In one of the tournaments I’m currently in, I’ve given up 51 runs in the first 3 games. I had another earlier today in which I gave up 51 runs total in consecutive games. Once you have that game in which the entire bullpen has to pitch (either a game where you can’t get anyone out, or an extra inning game), you’ll proceed to get pummeled the rest of the series.

05-07-2022, 12:26 AM	#7
Warfsu Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 111	To add, in a Iron tournament I just was eliminated in, i lost 4 games to zero. In those 4 games, I gave up run totals of 15, 19, 17, and 18. Considering this was in the 3rd round of the playoffs already, was this team really that much of a juggernaut? One thing that may have factored in is the fact I had no day off leading up to this series. Any chance they could add a minimum one day off between series?

05-07-2022, 01:47 AM	#8
Mikecouil Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: alex Posts: 245	In the salary cap tourneys the winners are just abandoning any attempt at putting together a bullpen and spending all the money on bats from what I've seen.

05-07-2022, 06:21 PM	#12
jrgst3 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 135	Ditto on all of this... pitching with ERAs in the 15s... kinda crazy __________________

05-07-2022, 09:22 PM	#13
Weaseltail Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 127	It seems broken. Curious if this was found during testing, or if it's something recent. Can't believe the devs intended this.

05-07-2022, 10:27 PM	#14
Mikecouil Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: alex Posts: 245	The really good pitchers are starting to stand out more and more. Just sort the card shop by highest offer price and you'll see. The daily cap and all bronze tourney results are a big enough sample now to data mine.

05-08-2022, 08:03 AM	#15
DotDash Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 135	Doesn't seem to make much difference to me. I have all the "best" pitchers based on cost, but something seems off. HR/9 through the roof on pitchers with 80+ movement in bronze... Incredibly high scoring games in general - seems like at least half of all games have one side scoring 10+ runs. This despite the most-used batters in Bronze (again going by cost) tending to have 60+ defense, which should help the best pitchers in the game do even better. And yet, some players seem to have cracked the code to be successful in this environment. I've only managed two 3rd/4th place finishes in 27 Bronze tournaments so far, with no idea how to identify the issues my team obviously has. I never messed with strategy in tournaments in previous years and did fine. Perhaps it's more necessary now? __________________

05-08-2022, 12:32 PM	#16
Southern_Aristocrat Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 61 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I did some more investigating, at least into Iron results. Looks like power hitters are the way to go offensively. For example I have 27 home runs in 13 games in an Iron tourney at the moment... and I have only the 10th most home runs with 24 out of 32 teams eliminated. ERA's are bonkers. I have no solution to pitching yet... EDIT: Starting pitcher ERA 6.20 = 3rd best in tourney... Last edited by Southern_Aristocrat; 05-08-2022 at 12:46 PM.

05-09-2022, 03:26 AM	#17
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,243	We are aware of the high run environments in some tournaments, and are looking at the matter.

05-09-2022, 09:13 AM	#18
professor ape All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The belly of the beast Posts: 1,498	The bottom line is that everyone is in the same boat and it is all relative. You just have to have the mindset that a 5.00 ERA is pretty good in the current Bronze leagues and a .900 OPS is commonplace. You still need just have to alter your view on what defines “good”. __________________

05-09-2022, 04:08 PM	#20
kccrtrppua Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 33	I did some data mining in the iron tournaments. From the twelve tourneys that I sampled, only three pitchers had an ERA under 4.00.