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oldfatbaldguy · 07-30-2021, 05:00 PM

I'm sure other people play the way I do -- take a small-market team, do what you can, don't look for other jobs.

Starting my third season in a fictional league with the Albuquerque Trains, I think it's probably my last season. The boss is unhappy. His goals are unreasonable. The budget is a horror show. My fan-favorite superstar right fielder is going into a contract year and he wants $40m.

Anybody have a house rule for what you're allowed to do when it's time to find a second job? If I use my rules for picking a team at the beginning of a save, I could easily wind up in a far better situation than I'm in now. It's gonna feel like a cheat, I just know it.

Bobfather · 07-30-2021, 05:12 PM

If you let your contract expire then field offers from other teams. Happens all the time in IRL.

oldfatbaldguy · 07-30-2021, 05:36 PM

Does it happen irl as easily as it happens in OOTP? That "available jobs" list seems to always be pretty long, and if you apply you get the job, right?

ptFri217 · 07-30-2021, 06:58 PM

It is a bit unrealistic with the number of jobs available. By contrast, a game like DDS College Basketball is BRUTAL.

For manager only, you could look at Pythagorean expectation to see which managers underperformed (at a very rudimentary level but still useful). For GM, you could look at teams in the bottom 5 or bottom 10 in the standings that also have a poorly ranked farm system.

These are the teams that would be more likely to replace their current manager/GM. You could pick from that list or use a random number generator. Hopefully this helps some or could give you inspiration!

smiller · 07-30-2021, 09:53 PM

I also play fictional, and when I get tired of controlling a team, I always look for another team that has the worst or near worst record, and has had a terrible record for at least three previous seasons. Then I take over as general manager and let the current manager remain for a year while I get to know the team. Eventually I take over the managing duties as well as that gets you more immersed. I rarely stay with one team for more that three years and like to switch leagues so I get to know my entire universe better.

NoOne · 07-31-2021, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ptFri217

It is a bit unrealistic with the number of jobs available. By contrast, a game like DDS College Basketball is BRUTAL.

For manager only, you could look at Pythagorean expectation to see which managers underperformed (at a very rudimentary level but still useful). For GM, you could look at teams in the bottom 5 or bottom 10 in the standings that also have a poorly ranked farm system.

These are the teams that would be more likely to replace their current manager/GM. You could pick from that list or use a random number generator. Hopefully this helps some or could give you inspiration!

that's the manager's impact...

e.g. a disproportionate distribution of RS, like a bunch of 20+run games, could cause a negative value that has nothing to do with the manager's choices. If lots of runs are bunched into a few games, it would throw that estimate off like crazy in most contexts.

it's more a measurement of luck relative to choices made with no reference to alternatives nor risk invovled of any choice made.

Now, in oootp, does some set of strategies more often amount to a "+" ? I wouldn't doubt it. Although a few years ago it was a bug.

oldfatbaldguy · 07-31-2021, 05:05 AM

Well, we just won 80 and the Pythagorean expectation was 90, so I guess it's me.

But I've also got an owner who thinks he can go with profit focus in a small market, and he keeps yipping at me about signing a "hometown player." I searched the database with a filter for "Albuquerque area" and there were a grand total of two players who belong anywhere near the major leagues. One of them we've already signed on a minor-league contract and released. The other one is the catcher for the El Paso Owls and they need him, because he's the only catcher worth a (something) they have.

Owners, man. I'm getting fired.

These are good suggestions and observations, guys. Thanks.

ptFri217 · 07-31-2021, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoOne

that's the manager's impact...

e.g. a disproportionate distribution of RS, like a bunch of 20+run games, could cause a negative value that has nothing to do with the manager's choices. If lots of runs are bunched into a few games, it would throw that estimate off like crazy in most contexts.

it's more a measurement of luck relative to choices made with no reference to alternatives nor risk invovled of any choice made.

Now, in oootp, does some set of strategies more often amount to a "+" ? I wouldn't doubt it. Although a few years ago it was a bug.

Oh for sure, there definitely is a good bit of luck in PE/Diff, and I certainly wouldn't use it if I were to really hire a manager. There are stats like leverage index that shows how well a manager is able to match up his best pitchers in the toughest spots (think stoppers instead of closers), but I don't know if OOTP tracks this or not.

Disclaimer: As a mathematician, I actually don't use many stats or analysis when playing OOTP, which is backwards from most on this forum, and probably all mathematicians haha. I just get burned out man!

That said, a -10 is pretty tough, but is more likely to be "tough luck" as mentioned above. PE/Diff is quick and dirty and gives a little more info that can help with a storyline in your head for why an AI manager would be replaced, but, use it with a handful of grains of salt!

07-30-2021, 05:00 PM	#1
oldfatbaldguy Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 390	Unemployment line I'm sure other people play the way I do -- take a small-market team, do what you can, don't look for other jobs. Starting my third season in a fictional league with the Albuquerque Trains, I think it's probably my last season. The boss is unhappy. His goals are unreasonable. The budget is a horror show. My fan-favorite superstar right fielder is going into a contract year and he wants $40m. Anybody have a house rule for what you're allowed to do when it's time to find a second job? If I use my rules for picking a team at the beginning of a save, I could easily wind up in a far better situation than I'm in now. It's gonna feel like a cheat, I just know it.

07-30-2021, 05:12 PM	#2
Bobfather All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Ma. Posts: 1,637	If you let your contract expire then field offers from other teams. Happens all the time in IRL. __________________ I play out every game—one pitch mode.

07-30-2021, 05:36 PM	#3
oldfatbaldguy Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 390	Does it happen irl as easily as it happens in OOTP? That "available jobs" list seems to always be pretty long, and if you apply you get the job, right?

07-30-2021, 06:58 PM	#4
ptFri217 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Rounding 3rd Posts: 81	It is a bit unrealistic with the number of jobs available. By contrast, a game like DDS College Basketball is BRUTAL. For manager only, you could look at Pythagorean expectation to see which managers underperformed (at a very rudimentary level but still useful). For GM, you could look at teams in the bottom 5 or bottom 10 in the standings that also have a poorly ranked farm system. These are the teams that would be more likely to replace their current manager/GM. You could pick from that list or use a random number generator. Hopefully this helps some or could give you inspiration!

07-30-2021, 09:53 PM	#5
smiller Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Pittsboro NC Posts: 430	I also play fictional, and when I get tired of controlling a team, I always look for another team that has the worst or near worst record, and has had a terrible record for at least three previous seasons. Then I take over as general manager and let the current manager remain for a year while I get to know the team. Eventually I take over the managing duties as well as that gets you more immersed. I rarely stay with one team for more that three years and like to switch leagues so I get to know my entire universe better.

07-31-2021, 05:05 AM	#7
oldfatbaldguy Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 390	Well, we just won 80 and the Pythagorean expectation was 90, so I guess it's me. But I've also got an owner who thinks he can go with profit focus in a small market, and he keeps yipping at me about signing a "hometown player." I searched the database with a filter for "Albuquerque area" and there were a grand total of two players who belong anywhere near the major leagues. One of them we've already signed on a minor-league contract and released. The other one is the catcher for the El Paso Owls and they need him, because he's the only catcher worth a (something) they have. Owners, man. I'm getting fired. These are good suggestions and observations, guys. Thanks.