Anyway to have 100 sb' in a season?

Qrusher14242 · 04-22-2003, 12:41 AM

I cant seem to get over 70 or so SB in a season, i've simmed hundred's of years and never seen anyone get 80.

Bears5122 · 04-22-2003, 12:49 AM

It would be real hard. You'd need a guy who is extremely fast and can get on base a lot. You also would need a coach who has his coaching tendency to stealing a lot.

eraddeus · 04-22-2003, 12:49 AM

You can manually do it. While playing out games, I got Juan Pierre to 30 SBs in 25 games.

Dwolfson20 · 04-22-2003, 01:02 AM

Sure, why not? Rickey Henderson stole 130, didn't he?

blubbla · 04-22-2003, 01:04 AM

Playing live, it's not too hard. I was running a 1980 season with Terry Puhl, Ivan DeJesus, and Lee Mazzilli running nearly every chance they got. Mazzilli had at least 80 with some of the season left.

WillTheThrill · 04-22-2003, 01:05 AM

Is there a league total for steals? That would probably do it. If not, then I dont know, I havent gotten a guy over 70 in over 300 years simmed.

Qrusher14242 · 04-22-2003, 01:45 AM

No, theres no SB in league totals, was hoping it would be added in the patch maybe, but it wasnt.

clarnzz · 04-22-2003, 02:17 AM

I wish we could turn ours down, we had 4400 SB's in our league last season. There were 2700 in MLB last season.

The league leaders were 86 and 75

AngelinOF · 04-22-2003, 02:22 AM

Do you have any A/A guys in your league? If you do check and see what their ratings are, mainly looking at extra base hit ratings, guys with high D/T/HR would have a difficult time stealing alot of bases. My top 5 stolen base guys:
<pre> <fontsize="2">
1. Billy Hamilton 97 1891 (125 games)
2. Billy Hamilton 94 1890 (120 games)
3. Billy Hamilton 88 1893 (124 games)
4. Bid McPhee 79 1886 (119 games)
5. Billy Hamilton 78 1892 (120 games)
</pre></fontsize>
During Hamilton's 1891 season he had 154 singles and 75 walks wchich game him lots of opprotunities to steal a base. Messing with the extra base hits totals can have some effects on your leaguewide stolen base totals, since there are more people staying at 1st base there are more chances to steal second. You'll definitly want to back up your league prior to messing with the league totals.

morningstar8 · 04-22-2003, 02:26 AM

I did it in OOTP4 in challenge mode as the Brewers, with the Luis Castillo-alike "Delmar Miller", in game year 2002. 116 stolen bases, 45 caught. He had a .408 OBP, and I ran him nearly every chance I could.

clarnzz · 04-22-2003, 02:35 AM

Angelin, great stuff!!! That may be the reason we had so many SB's. There were only 7400 doubles when there were 8700 in MLB. I got the league totals straightened out to bring the doubles up to that area this year. I guess I can also expect to see the SB's come down a little bit as a result.

CBL-Commish · 04-22-2003, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by morningstar8
I did it in OOTP4 in challenge mode as the Brewers, with the Luis Castillo-alike "Delmar Miller", in game year 2002. 116 stolen bases, 45 caught. He had a .408 OBP, and I ran him nearly every chance I could.

You might want to pick his opportunities a bit better... It's a pretty good rule of thumb that a steal is worth about 1/3 of a run, and a caught costs you 2/3 of a run (an out is a lot more important than one base). Mr. Miller netted your Brewers about 8 big, fat runs with all that scurrying around the bases.

Rainey · 04-22-2003, 03:18 PM

You could look at it like that.. or everytime he steals he gets into scoring position and makes it easier to drive him in.

I bet we could check on his runs and it would be in the 130's.

Spielman · 04-22-2003, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by Rainey
You could look at it like that.. or everytime he steals he gets into scoring position and makes it easier to drive him in.

Yes.... where did you think the +1/3 of a run for a successful stolen base came from in the first place?

-Spielman

CBL-Commish · 04-22-2003, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by Rainey
You could look at it like that.. or everytime he steals he gets into scoring position and makes it easier to drive him in.

I bet we could check on his runs and it would be in the 130's.

But you could also look at it as every one of those 45 caught stealing took a man off base and killed a rally. That's more than once every four games he cost his team a chance at a big inning.

Rainey · 04-22-2003, 03:51 PM

1/3 doesn't really justify the stolen base. Yes it could kill the big inning, but it could also open up a "bigger" inning. It is a risk and reward type thing. I just see it worth more than 1/3..

Gastric ReFlux · 04-22-2003, 03:59 PM

A stolen base doesn't open up a bigger inning really. It's a one-run strategy, like a sacrifice bunt. The runner tries to move up a base to get closer to home, increasing his chance of scoring, but that certainly does nothing for the runners after him which are necessary to have a big inning.

And if the runner gets caught, it loses the chance at one run, and further decreases the chances of a big inning.

The stolen base is a one-run strategy.

Rainey · 04-22-2003, 04:13 PM

It can be used for both. A person who steals and has great ability makes the pitcher worry about the hitter a little less. Allowing a walk, or a pitch hung over the middle. Teams that had good base runners always made our pitchers pitch worse. (High School Level)

Gastric ReFlux · 04-22-2003, 04:16 PM

Yah, but we're talking about major league level for this game.

Rainey · 04-22-2003, 04:17 PM

I know we are, but are you saying having a base runner who can steal on base and will steal does not effect the pitcher at all?

04-22-2003, 12:41 AM	#1
Qrusher14242 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CA Posts: 1,253	Anyway to have 100 sb' in a season? I cant seem to get over 70 or so SB in a season, i've simmed hundred's of years and never seen anyone get 80.

04-22-2003, 01:02 AM	#4
Dwolfson20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Not St. Louis Posts: 2,872	Sure, why not? Rickey Henderson stole 130, didn't he? __________________

04-22-2003, 01:05 AM	#6
WillTheThrill Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Salinas, CA Posts: 208	Is there a league total for steals? That would probably do it. If not, then I dont know, I havent gotten a guy over 70 in over 300 years simmed. __________________ Descendant of Will Miller of the Time Warp Baseball League. "After 24 years in the majors, Miller retired with one of the most successful careers in history. He set several major league records, including being the all-time leader with 4000 hits, 2004 runs and 921 stolen bases."

04-22-2003, 12:49 AM	#2
Bears5122 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 847	It would be real hard. You'd need a guy who is extremely fast and can get on base a lot. You also would need a coach who has his coaching tendency to stealing a lot.

04-22-2003, 12:49 AM	#3
eraddeus Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 86	You can manually do it. While playing out games, I got Juan Pierre to 30 SBs in 25 games.

04-22-2003, 01:04 AM	#5
blubbla Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Herscher, IL Posts: 2,457	Playing live, it's not too hard. I was running a 1980 season with Terry Puhl, Ivan DeJesus, and Lee Mazzilli running nearly every chance they got. Mazzilli had at least 80 with some of the season left.

04-22-2003, 01:45 AM	#7
Qrusher14242 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CA Posts: 1,253	No, theres no SB in league totals, was hoping it would be added in the patch maybe, but it wasnt.

04-22-2003, 02:17 AM	#8
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	I wish we could turn ours down, we had 4400 SB's in our league last season. There were 2700 in MLB last season. The league leaders were 86 and 75

04-22-2003, 02:22 AM	#9
AngelinOF All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,353	Do you have any A/A guys in your league? If you do check and see what their ratings are, mainly looking at extra base hit ratings, guys with high D/T/HR would have a difficult time stealing alot of bases. My top 5 stolen base guys: <pre> <fontsize="2"> 1. Billy Hamilton 97 1891 (125 games) 2. Billy Hamilton 94 1890 (120 games) 3. Billy Hamilton 88 1893 (124 games) 4. Bid McPhee 79 1886 (119 games) 5. Billy Hamilton 78 1892 (120 games) </pre></fontsize> During Hamilton's 1891 season he had 154 singles and 75 walks wchich game him lots of opprotunities to steal a base. Messing with the extra base hits totals can have some effects on your leaguewide stolen base totals, since there are more people staying at 1st base there are more chances to steal second. You'll definitly want to back up your league prior to messing with the league totals.

04-22-2003, 02:26 AM	#10
morningstar8 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 82	I did it in OOTP4 in challenge mode as the Brewers, with the Luis Castillo-alike "Delmar Miller", in game year 2002. 116 stolen bases, 45 caught. He had a .408 OBP, and I ran him nearly every chance I could.

04-22-2003, 02:35 AM	#11
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	Angelin, great stuff!!! That may be the reason we had so many SB's. There were only 7400 doubles when there were 8700 in MLB. I got the league totals straightened out to bring the doubles up to that area this year. I guess I can also expect to see the SB's come down a little bit as a result.

04-22-2003, 03:18 PM	#13
Rainey Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 138	You could look at it like that.. or everytime he steals he gets into scoring position and makes it easier to drive him in. I bet we could check on his runs and it would be in the 130's.

04-22-2003, 03:51 PM	#16
Rainey Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 138	1/3 doesn't really justify the stolen base. Yes it could kill the big inning, but it could also open up a "bigger" inning. It is a risk and reward type thing. I just see it worth more than 1/3..

04-22-2003, 03:59 PM	#17
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	A stolen base doesn't open up a bigger inning really. It's a one-run strategy, like a sacrifice bunt. The runner tries to move up a base to get closer to home, increasing his chance of scoring, but that certainly does nothing for the runners after him which are necessary to have a big inning. And if the runner gets caught, it loses the chance at one run, and further decreases the chances of a big inning. The stolen base is a one-run strategy.

04-22-2003, 04:13 PM	#18
Rainey Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 138	It can be used for both. A person who steals and has great ability makes the pitcher worry about the hitter a little less. Allowing a walk, or a pitch hung over the middle. Teams that had good base runners always made our pitchers pitch worse. (High School Level)

04-22-2003, 04:16 PM	#19
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Yah, but we're talking about major league level for this game.

04-22-2003, 04:17 PM	#20
Rainey Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 138	I know we are, but are you saying having a base runner who can steal on base and will steal does not effect the pitcher at all?