Question about minor league progression..

Maddox · 04-15-2021, 01:28 AM

So I am in my second year with the Cardinals. I have a few 5 star prospects in the minors (shockingly not Gorman or Liberatore) and they are sitting at 2.5 actual stars out of 5 potential. I have a 4 star prospect sitting at 2.5 stars out of 4.

I looked at all of my minors and nobody has progressed past 2.5 stars. Do I need to bring them up to the majors where I have 3 outstanding and 1 excellent in my training roles to keep them progressing.

pgjocki · 04-15-2021, 02:37 AM

Are those ratings by position or against all players overall? There is a setting option under Global Options to change that.

Are the guys fully developed and moved up to AAA ball? What do their stats look like?

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Daniel_09 · 04-15-2021, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pgjocki

Are those ratings by position or against all players overall? There is a setting option under Global Options to change that.

Are the guys fully developed and moved up to AAA ball? What do their stats look like?

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In What levels they are?? they are in the starting lineup?

These ratings are compared to MLB, AAA, AA... etc..??

They are happy with their role on the team? What are they demands? MLB perhaps, starting lineup, starting rotation?

Maddox · 04-15-2021, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pgjocki

Are those ratings by position or against all players overall? There is a setting option under Global Options to change that.

Are the guys fully developed and moved up to AAA ball? What do their stats look like?

All my settings are default as far as their ratings. So the ratings are relative to MLB and apparently just against their own positions.

The two 5 stars prospects are in Triple A and the 4 star one is in Double A. The stats for all of them are good but not great.

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In What levels they are?? they are in the starting lineup?

These ratings are compared to MLB, AAA, AA... etc..??

They are happy with their role on the team? What are they demands? MLB perhaps, starting lineup, starting rotation?

They are in the starting lineups in triple A. I have player morale turned off so no demands

Both players stats in triple A are good (not great) and they both have 4 out of 5 hitting ratings with room to grow still. My scout is has Legendary ratings across the board also so hopefully that means the rating are reasonably accurate.

The two 5 stars could probably both be called up replacing some underperforming backups. I am playing GM only in Challenge mode so I have no control over whether they play once they get there, although they probably will be starters out of the gate.

But going back to my main question, is there a limit to how far or how fast that they progress in AAA vs the the majors?

Daniel_09 · 04-15-2021, 10:39 AM

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They are in the starting lineups in triple A. I have player morale turned off so no demands

Both players stats in triple A are good (not great) and they both have 4 out of 5 hitting ratings with room to grow still. My scout is has Legendary ratings across the board also so hopefully that means the rating are reasonably accurate.

The two 5 stars could probably both be called up replacing some underperforming backups. I am playing GM only in Challenge mode so I have no control over whether they play once they get there, although they probably will be starters out of the gate.

But going back to my main question, is there a limit to how far or how fast that they progress in AAA vs the the majors?

You are absolutely right to call up if they're going to play right away in the lineup, if they will be bench guys I will keep them in AAA.

In my personal experience these guys will be a whole year in AAA if the stats isn't great for the both of them to get the call up. The overall rating is going to be up at the final of the season, and in the new season yo can count on them to be on your MLB roster.

Ratbelly · 04-15-2021, 01:00 PM

My suggestion if these guys are hitting, ops+ above 100 in AAA and you have a need in the majors, meaning they will start every day. I would bring them up. Make sure the hitting coach at the major league level is good at developing and mechanics also. A 2.5 star with 5 potential should hopefully grow nicely with play time.

These decisions also depend on where you are as a team. Are you in a win now mode and challenging for a divsion title? You may want to wait as you could see these guys struggle initially. If your team is struggling and not going to the playoffs this year, better to get these guys started.

pgjocki · 04-15-2021, 01:05 PM

Great, players eventually cap out development in the minors and my experience has been 24 for hitters and 26 for pitchers.

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Maddox · 04-15-2021, 02:03 PM

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Make sure the hitting coach at the major league level is good at developing and mechanics also. A 2.5 star with 5 potential should hopefully grow nicely with play time.

These decisions also depend on where you are as a team. Are you in a win now mode and challenging for a divsion title? You may want to wait as you could see these guys struggle initially. If your team is struggling and not going to the playoffs this year, better to get these guys started.

I am still in June and 6 games back so still in the hunt. I have had some big players not playing up to their potential (Carlson (.240) and Lindor (.229)).

I have pitchers with good ratings having off years so far (Gallegos had a 1.85 ERA last year in 63 appearances and a 7.79 this year in 22 appearances - OUCH)

I just now made an offer to a hitting coach that is Legendary at Teach Hitting, Outstanding at Handles Development, and Excellent at Influences Mechanics. I'll toss Jeff Albert out with the trash if the new guy accepts.

Ratbelly · 04-15-2021, 05:08 PM

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I am still in June and 6 games back so still in the hunt. I have had some big players not playing up to their potential (Carlson (.240) and Lindor (.229)).

I have pitchers with good ratings having off years so far (Gallegos had a 1.85 ERA last year in 63 appearances and a 7.79 this year in 22 appearances - OUCH)

I just now made an offer to a hitting coach that is Legendary at Teach Hitting, Outstanding at Handles Development, and Excellent at Influences Mechanics. I'll toss Jeff Albert out with the trash if the new guy accepts.

You are right in the thick of it and June is pretty early. Be careful with replacing these guys, if they are excellent defenders, with backups that are less polished. The offensive difference could be negligible.

You will have a chance to bring these guys up for a late season push also when the rosters expand.

Maddox · 04-15-2021, 05:54 PM

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You are right in the thick of it and June is pretty early. Be careful with replacing these guys, if they are excellent defenders, with backups that are less polished. The offensive difference could be negligible.

You will have a chance to bring these guys up for a late season push also when the rosters expand.

That was my original plan, but then I wondered if they were stagnating in AAA. The catcher could probably step right into the starting lineup over Knizner. The RF has a little tougher nut to crack with Dylan Carlson, Bader and Jorge Soler. I would not be against trying to trade Soler for same salary relief. I picked him up as a big bat but that was before I picked up the prospect.

Here is the RF

SirSaab · 04-15-2021, 06:10 PM

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That was my original plan, but then I wondered if they were stagnating in AAA. The catcher could probably step right into the starting lineup over Knizner. The RF has a little tougher nut to crack with Dylan Carlson, Bader and Jorge Soler. I would not be against trying to trade Soler for same salary relief. I picked him up as a big bat but that was before I picked up the prospect.

Here is the RF

Drop Soler like hot garbage and get Greene in there, I say.

Maddox · 04-15-2021, 06:31 PM

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Drop Soler like hot garbage and get Greene in there, I say.

My assistant GM was against the trade that got me Greene

Ratbelly · 04-15-2021, 06:39 PM

Interesting, Greene has basically been rushed through A all the way to MLB. His AAA and MLB results show his OPS+ below 100, but those are small sample sizes. Let us know how it turns out. I am intrigued.

Ratbelly · 04-15-2021, 06:57 PM

One thing I saw on here. Greene is striking out at nearly 33% rate in his time in the majors. That is a very very high rate. In fact, his strike outs at AAA are at an alarming 36%. He is also only walking at at 6% rate. . His avoid K rating of 40 might worse than 40. If you think about his roughly 150 at bats, if he is striking out 50 times and has a normal Batting average of balls in play of .300, that translates to him hitting about .220. So his .230 average in the majors could actually get worse with some bad luck. Additionally, he is a flyball hitter and while that might be good for homeruns with fully developed power, he doesn't appear to be there yet. He hit 4 home runs in 150 PA in majors and only 1 in AAA in 46.

Personally, I think you could have a star, but I would monitor him down at AAA for a while. He is only 21.

04-15-2021, 01:28 AM	#1
Maddox All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 903	Question about minor league progression.. So I am in my second year with the Cardinals. I have a few 5 star prospects in the minors (shockingly not Gorman or Liberatore) and they are sitting at 2.5 actual stars out of 5 potential. I have a 4 star prospect sitting at 2.5 stars out of 4. I looked at all of my minors and nobody has progressed past 2.5 stars. Do I need to bring them up to the majors where I have 3 outstanding and 1 excellent in my training roles to keep them progressing.

04-15-2021, 02:37 AM	#2
pgjocki All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Maryland - just outside DC Posts: 1,585	Are those ratings by position or against all players overall? There is a setting option under Global Options to change that. Are the guys fully developed and moved up to AAA ball? What do their stats look like? Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk __________________ - - - World Series championships: 1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011

04-15-2021, 01:00 PM	#6
Ratbelly Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 131	My suggestion if these guys are hitting, ops+ above 100 in AAA and you have a need in the majors, meaning they will start every day. I would bring them up. Make sure the hitting coach at the major league level is good at developing and mechanics also. A 2.5 star with 5 potential should hopefully grow nicely with play time. These decisions also depend on where you are as a team. Are you in a win now mode and challenging for a divsion title? You may want to wait as you could see these guys struggle initially. If your team is struggling and not going to the playoffs this year, better to get these guys started. __________________

04-15-2021, 01:05 PM	#7
pgjocki All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Maryland - just outside DC Posts: 1,585	Great, players eventually cap out development in the minors and my experience has been 24 for hitters and 26 for pitchers. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk __________________ - - - World Series championships: 1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011

04-15-2021, 06:39 PM	#13
Ratbelly Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 131	Interesting, Greene has basically been rushed through A all the way to MLB. His AAA and MLB results show his OPS+ below 100, but those are small sample sizes. Let us know how it turns out. I am intrigued. __________________

04-15-2021, 06:57 PM	#14
Ratbelly Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 131	One thing I saw on here. Greene is striking out at nearly 33% rate in his time in the majors. That is a very very high rate. In fact, his strike outs at AAA are at an alarming 36%. He is also only walking at at 6% rate. . His avoid K rating of 40 might worse than 40. If you think about his roughly 150 at bats, if he is striking out 50 times and has a normal Batting average of balls in play of .300, that translates to him hitting about .220. So his .230 average in the majors could actually get worse with some bad luck. Additionally, he is a flyball hitter and while that might be good for homeruns with fully developed power, he doesn't appear to be there yet. He hit 4 home runs in 150 PA in majors and only 1 in AAA in 46. Personally, I think you could have a star, but I would monitor him down at AAA for a while. He is only 21. __________________ Last edited by Ratbelly; 04-15-2021 at 07:13 PM.