Pitching Measurements

Michael Hopcroft · 03-13-2021, 12:28 PM

As s[portsgamers, we are very fond of comparing modern and historical players. And Lord knows there's a lot of history in baseball. We know we have breakthrough players in modern times, and that measures like 300 wins and 4000 strikeouts have a certain romance to them.

But the game has changed so radically over the last decade and a half that measures like Win-Loss and ERA seem to no longer cut it. More and more teams are adopting part-time openers as a way to start games who by the definition of W-L are never eligible to take a Win home. Strikeout numbers are inflating in an era of players swinging for the fences on a consistent bases. And ERA is as much a measure of team defense as f pitching performance (and has become inflated in an era where one bad outing can blow the ERA apart for guys who pitch one or two innings at most.

with managers trying all kinds of new ways to win games at all costs, pitching has become more difficult to rate and the old measures just don't seem to cut t. But then, how do we measure pitchers more accurately, and how do we transfer these measures to past eras with the information we have available?

pgjocki · 03-13-2021, 06:00 PM

WHIP hasn't changed, neither has K/BB. You can measure FIP against historical players as well.

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03-13-2021, 12:28 PM	#1
Michael Hopcroft Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Portland, OR USA Posts: 487	Pitching Measurements As s[portsgamers, we are very fond of comparing modern and historical players. And Lord knows there's a lot of history in baseball. We know we have breakthrough players in modern times, and that measures like 300 wins and 4000 strikeouts have a certain romance to them. But the game has changed so radically over the last decade and a half that measures like Win-Loss and ERA seem to no longer cut it. More and more teams are adopting part-time openers as a way to start games who by the definition of W-L are never eligible to take a Win home. Strikeout numbers are inflating in an era of players swinging for the fences on a consistent bases. And ERA is as much a measure of team defense as f pitching performance (and has become inflated in an era where one bad outing can blow the ERA apart for guys who pitch one or two innings at most. with managers trying all kinds of new ways to win games at all costs, pitching has become more difficult to rate and the old measures just don't seem to cut t. But then, how do we measure pitchers more accurately, and how do we transfer these measures to past eras with the information we have available?

03-13-2021, 06:00 PM	#2
pgjocki All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Maryland - just outside DC Posts: 1,585	WHIP hasn't changed, neither has K/BB. You can measure FIP against historical players as well. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk __________________ - - - World Series championships: 1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011