Hall of Fame Voting

thirdsaint · 12-12-2020, 11:54 AM

Well, I finally made it. I've played 20 years of my fictional league and have activated the Hall of Fame. I tried searching to find an answer in an older thread but couldn't see anything. How does the Hall of Fame Voting work?

If I vote for 10 players, will they have a noticeable bump or be more likely to get in the hall of fame? I realize no one may know the innerworkings of the game but just out of fellow player's experience, what have you noticed? When you vote does it seem to make an impact at all? Has anyone tried simming the game with you voting and without you voting for certain players to see if the results are different?

ShawnSoup · 12-12-2020, 01:19 PM

Thank you for posting this I have been meaning to figure out how much influence our votes has on the HoF. I've been meaning to do a save during voting then seeing how the vote goes 100x. Then, I'll do another 100 voting for a guy who I know will get no votes. Then maybe add more GMs to my league and do testing with more GMs voting for the guy who gets zero % of the votes. If we can get an answer prior to my idea that would be great.

ShawnSoup · 12-12-2020, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thirdsaint

Has anyone tried simming the game with you voting and without you voting for certain players to see if the results are different?

There is some randomness to it. Last year for instance when the votes came out CC Sabathia missed the HoF by a couple %, but for some reason I didn't save and when I went through again he made the HoF with like 78% of the vote. I dont remember exact numbers. I voted for him both times.

micropterus58 · 12-12-2020, 01:25 PM

Like in real life HOF induction is based on getting a high enough percentage of votes. Players have to meet a minimum of vote % and for a maximum number of years. OOTP doesn't have a Veteran Committee to vote after a player was not voted in by sportswriters. I think if you don't vote that would have a bigger impact. No votes and the player has no chance. Few votes and the players could loose eligibility the next year. This article has some info.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_B...Fame_balloting

thirdsaint · 12-12-2020, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by micropterus58

Like in real life HOF induction is based on getting a high enough percentage of votes. Players have to meet a minimum of vote % and for a maximum number of years. OOTP doesn't have a Veteran Committee to vote after a player was not voted in by sportswriters. I think if you don't vote that would have a bigger impact. No votes and the player has no chance. Few votes and the players could loose eligibility the next year. This article has some info.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_B...Fame_balloting

Oh yeah, I know how HoF voting works in real life and all. I'm more curious about whether or not the game weights the Human player's votes so that way your vote actually has meaning. Otherwise, if I vote for 10 players and they each only count for 1 vote, there's not much point in me voting other than for the fun of it.

I am curious enough that I may save up until the last voting day and sim it without me voting and then with me voting for certain players, ones likely to make it and ones I see miss by a fair percentage, just to see what influence, if any, the human player has.

CBeisbol · 12-12-2020, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by thirdsaint

I am curious enough that I may save up until the last voting day and sim it without me voting and then with me voting for certain players, ones likely to make it and ones I see miss by a fair percentage, just to see what influence, if any, the human player has.

You should do that

Though you'd probably have to do it a few times, since there is some randomness involved

thirdsaint · 12-12-2020, 04:58 PM

I'll let you all know what my results are. I'm currently at the winter meetings point and the sim should go quickly up until the final voting day.

thirdsaint · 12-14-2020, 01:53 PM

I ran the simulation a couple times and here are one of the results:

The verdict is in... your vote matters!

On average, the 10 people I voted for, noted with a red star, gained an average bump of 11.5%. Some earned massive bumps while others smaller ones. Also, those I didn't vote for showed a decrease. That's a significant enough number to help put someone over the top if they were close enough.

My next question is, do voting percentages increase every year someone is on the ballot like they tend to in real life? Has anyone noticed this in your leagues? That would be awesome if they did and if I kept voting for them they should eventually make it.

CBeisbol · 12-14-2020, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thirdsaint

I ran the simulation a couple times and here are one of the results:

The verdict is in... your vote matters!

Awesome
Thanks for sharing

Not a 100% conclusive study, but pretty strong evidence

Added to my User Studies link

Trebro · 12-15-2020, 11:04 PM

This tracks with what I've discovered anecdotally. I appreciate the weight of the person vs the CPU being angled towards the human, but it feels like that swing might be a bit too large. I dunno, maybe that's just me. It's why I sometimes opt not to vote.

thirdsaint · 12-16-2020, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebro

This tracks with what I've discovered anecdotally. I appreciate the weight of the person vs the CPU being angled towards the human, but it feels like that swing might be a bit too large. I dunno, maybe that's just me. It's why I sometimes opt not to vote.

I think it's kind of perfect. I like that I can vote for players I feel are worthy and get them out of the danger zone or possibly put someone over the top. Since the AI isn't perfect, I love to see my choices having some weight. And yeah, you can always opt not to vote too.

koohead · 12-16-2020, 07:53 PM

yeah, there have been a couple years where I didn't feel anyone was worthy so I submitted an empty ballot. The AI still voted someone in, which at first I was a bit peaved at, but hey, that's reality. I know I could have manually removed him from the Hall but I left him. I generally am happy with the AI voting logic (whatever it may be). I actually don't vote for All-Stars or Awards...only the HOF.

Guess I'll also add that while our vote does have some 'special' weight to it...it definitely is not the end all be all. I've voted for a guy now 3 years in a row and he keeps ending up with 74-77% of the vote (I set my threshold at 80% for induction).

12-12-2020, 11:54 AM	#1
thirdsaint Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 364	Hall of Fame Voting Well, I finally made it. I've played 20 years of my fictional league and have activated the Hall of Fame. I tried searching to find an answer in an older thread but couldn't see anything. How does the Hall of Fame Voting work? If I vote for 10 players, will they have a noticeable bump or be more likely to get in the hall of fame? I realize no one may know the innerworkings of the game but just out of fellow player's experience, what have you noticed? When you vote does it seem to make an impact at all? Has anyone tried simming the game with you voting and without you voting for certain players to see if the results are different?

12-16-2020, 07:53 PM	#12
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,233	yeah, there have been a couple years where I didn't feel anyone was worthy so I submitted an empty ballot. The AI still voted someone in, which at first I was a bit peaved at, but hey, that's reality. I know I could have manually removed him from the Hall but I left him. I generally am happy with the AI voting logic (whatever it may be). I actually don't vote for All-Stars or Awards...only the HOF. Guess I'll also add that while our vote does have some 'special' weight to it...it definitely is not the end all be all. I've voted for a guy now 3 years in a row and he keeps ending up with 74-77% of the vote (I set my threshold at 80% for induction). __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL; Last edited by koohead; 12-16-2020 at 07:55 PM.

12-12-2020, 01:19 PM	#2
ShawnSoup Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2020 Posts: 123	Thank you for posting this I have been meaning to figure out how much influence our votes has on the HoF. I've been meaning to do a save during voting then seeing how the vote goes 100x. Then, I'll do another 100 voting for a guy who I know will get no votes. Then maybe add more GMs to my league and do testing with more GMs voting for the guy who gets zero % of the votes. If we can get an answer prior to my idea that would be great.

12-12-2020, 01:25 PM	#4
micropterus58 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,267	Like in real life HOF induction is based on getting a high enough percentage of votes. Players have to meet a minimum of vote % and for a maximum number of years. OOTP doesn't have a Veteran Committee to vote after a player was not voted in by sportswriters. I think if you don't vote that would have a bigger impact. No votes and the player has no chance. Few votes and the players could loose eligibility the next year. This article has some info. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_B...Fame_balloting

12-12-2020, 04:58 PM	#7
thirdsaint Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 364	I'll let you all know what my results are. I'm currently at the winter meetings point and the sim should go quickly up until the final voting day.

12-14-2020, 01:53 PM	#8
thirdsaint Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 364	I ran the simulation a couple times and here are one of the results: The verdict is in... your vote matters! On average, the 10 people I voted for, noted with a red star, gained an average bump of 11.5%. Some earned massive bumps while others smaller ones. Also, those I didn't vote for showed a decrease. That's a significant enough number to help put someone over the top if they were close enough. My next question is, do voting percentages increase every year someone is on the ballot like they tend to in real life? Has anyone noticed this in your leagues? That would be awesome if they did and if I kept voting for them they should eventually make it.

12-15-2020, 11:04 PM	#10
Trebro All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 756	This tracks with what I've discovered anecdotally. I appreciate the weight of the person vs the CPU being angled towards the human, but it feels like that swing might be a bit too large. I dunno, maybe that's just me. It's why I sometimes opt not to vote.