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Old 12-10-2020, 08:38 AM   #1
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Does the game rank too many "sacks of cement" too highly defensively, causing the game to promote them to the big leagues?

For example, the Braves in 62 league, demoted both Tommy Aaron and Lee Maye to AAA. They have some never played in CF leading off hitting .102 with a .197 OBP.

The Angels have Leon Wagner riding the pine. Wagner hit 37 bombs for the Angels in 62. OOTP is using him strictly as a pinch hitter. They have some meat plant hitting cleanup and playing CF. Dudes hitting .197 with 2 home runs.

Dodgers have Luis Alcaraz playing 3B. He started the season okay offensively and does have 3 home runs, but is fast on his way to hitting below .200. Good thing they have him hitting at the top of the order. In real life Alcaraz was in D ball in 1962 and didn't make it up to the Dodgers till 1967.

All of the above guys have really good defensive ratings, but seem totally overmatched at the plate. The Leon Wagner benching is the one that has me scratching my head the most. The Dodgers 3B situation in 62 wasn't a good one, so the AI trying something different might be expected. The Braves OF in 62 wasn't great either, so again, maybe the AI is doing the smart thing.

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Old 12-10-2020, 08:52 AM   #2
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I've noticed many no hit players with very high defensive ratings. Especially guys highly rated simultaneously at 2B, 3B and SS. In contrast we have All Star shortstops with no rating at all at 2B and 3B.

Maybe the no hit guys were really that good in the field. They needed something to keep them close to the Majors. OTH, maybe both the no hit guys and the All Stars fielding ratings are wrong but one compensates for the other.

Problem with the All Stars is the game requires experience to rate someone at a position and the All Star has none at other positions because real life there was usually no reason to move him off his primary position.
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I've noticed many no hit players with very high defensive ratings. Especially guys highly rated simultaneously at 2B, 3B and SS. In contrast we have All Star shortstops with no rating at all at 2B and 3B.

Maybe the no hit guys were really that good in the field. They needed something to keep them close to the Majors. OTH, maybe both the no hit guys and the All Stars fielding ratings are wrong but one compensates for the other.

Problem with the All Stars is the game requires experience to rate someone at a position and the All Star has none at other positions because real life there was usually no reason to move him off his primary position.
True and I'm not a huge fan of guys playing out of position in historical games, so I'm kind of glad that's the case. Logic tells me, Mark Belanger could have played every infield position, but he didn't, so I don't want him to. I'm just wondering why so many of the "not good enough for the bigs in rea life" guys are rated so high defensively on the historical minors side of the game?

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Old 12-10-2020, 09:40 PM   #4
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Good question. I had not really thought about this, but now that you mention it ... I am in the middle of a 1972 replay using full minors. I am also controlling all teams' lineups. There have been a number of times I have called a guy up from the minors and designated him as his team's late inning defensive replacement because his defensive ratings were notably higher than that of the multi-year veterans already on the roster. Now that I think about it, that is probably not very realistic.
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Old 12-20-2020, 01:06 PM   #5
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Okay, defensive ratings using real minors look way better when using recalc. Not seeing the same issue with the "never playeds" having sky high fielding ratings forcing the AI to play them.
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I'm really liking what I'm seeing with this 1962 league using historical minors, 3 year recalc, double weighted combined with the development engine.

The league I was discussing when I created this thread was 1962 also, but it wasn't using recalc. It was strictly the OOTP development engine, base fielding on career.

With recalc on, the fielding ratings for the non mlb players are not inflated to the point that the AI is promoting them and forcing them on to big league rosters and even worse into the starting lineup. The players I am seeing promoted are at least serviceable.

Man, this is what I've been wanting for so long. Having the extra players allows me to crank injuries up to high(modern) and let the storylines take hold,
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Old 12-21-2020, 04:22 PM   #7
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Looks like you've solved all kinds of problems!!!
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