A little frustration...is there something I am missing?

[Hacksaw86]

I am one of the PT players that doesn't pay to play, I just let my Points build up over time through achievements and such. I have put together what I think is a pretty good staff, and every one of them has just been terrible. Is there something else I should be looking at when evaluating pitchers? I just hate spending so many PP on guys when they end up not being useful.

[Torgonius]

In which level are you currently playing?

[DonMattingly]

Who do you have playing on defense?

[daves]

Originally Posted by Torgonius

In which level are you currently playing?

The stats say Silver.

[daves]

Originally Posted by DonMattingly

Who do you have playing on defense?

Accurate question. It's pitching AND defense that win championships. Looking at the stats, these pitchers don't have the defense support.

[Tinkerman]

Silver's pretty tough and that's not an amazing rotation. As a unit, I don't think you can expect too much more out of them.

[tbonetim]

Originally Posted by DonMattingly

Who do you have playing on defense?

Hacksaw, Don Mattingly brings up the most crucial point first. Defensive abilities of your players. If you have players that are pretty good at hitting the ball but have little interest in playing defense (e.g. Ted Williams types) than your pitchers will suffer. Concentrate on SS, 2B, CF first and of course you don't want a 32 rated defensive first basemen or catcher either. These positions normally have the most amount of total chances and thus the most opportunities to preventing base hits. You won't really be able to get a hold of how effective or non-effective your staff is until that occurs. Sometimes the cheapest option is to train a SS who is rated between 75-90 defensivley to either 2B or 3B. Just really depends on your roster makeup and how many perfect points you have in the bank to spend on upgrades.

[dkgo]

Notice how if you rank each player by their season ERA it is the exact same as the rank by their control rating... might be an indication what you should focus on.

[daves]

Originally Posted by Tinkerman

Silver's pretty tough and that's not an amazing rotation. As a unit, I don't think you can expect too much more out of them.

It's been a while since I was in Silver. You'd think 5 non-live Diamond starters would be suffice at the Silver level? Maybe the league levels are getting better?

[tbonetim]

Also, if you are going to use that Nolan Ryan, put him in the bullpen as either your closer or for setup at silver level. Starting pitchers with control ratings that low will just cause your blood pressure to rise. With the starter level stamina and only one or two innings to pitch in relief, it will reduce the chances of him getting trounced on like he would after running up a higher pitch count as a starter, not to mention he can pitch multiple days without taking the same kind of stamina hit a a regular short reliever. He actually does really well and keeping people from hitting the ball off him at silver level but those walk numbers are insane!

[CBeisbol]

Late to the party, but, yeah, defense.

Looks like your team is giving up a .300+ BABIP

Might look at your team BABIP and the league BABIP for comparison

Originally Posted by daves

Accurate question. It's pitching AND defense that win championships.

And hitting
And base running

[Jeff1787]

Somebody posted this in another thread as an indicator of how the defense is doing:

"Check your FIP vs. your team ERA. If your team ERA is significantly higher than your FIP, your defense would be the problem because you're giving up too many hits."

[emilempenza]

From what I recall, silver is full of teams with the same identical live reward SE team, so it's full of lefty sluggers who mash righties So it's very tough on your righty starters ERA. Lefties absolutely destroy those teams tbh.

Also defence is huge on this game, as others have mentioned

[Hacksaw86]

Thanks for the responses guys. My defensive ratings for each individual don't look bad at first glance, but I am 9th in ZR and 12th in efficiency so something isn't working. Their overall ratings are as followed, didn't think it was too low but need to get higher everywhere I guess. I don't really expect everybody to have a sub 3.00 ERA or anything, but nobody under 4.20 just seems high.

C 35, 1B 61, 2B 87, 3B 54, SS 106, LF 84, CF 88, RF 71

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Hacksaw86

C 35

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[tbonetim]

Originally Posted by Hacksaw86

Thanks for the responses guys. My defensive ratings for each individual don't look bad at first glance, but I am 9th in ZR and 12th in efficiency so something isn't working. Their overall ratings are as followed, didn't think it was too low but need to get higher everywhere I guess. I don't really expect everybody to have a sub 3.00 ERA or anything, but nobody under 4.20 just seems high.

C 35, 1B 61, 2B 87, 3B 54, SS 106, LF 84, CF 88, RF 71

Definitely upgrade that catcher and look to boost up your 3B defense. As for second base just be sure they can turn a double play really well and always a plus if they have really good range. 80 and 90 defensive ratings don't always mean they are as good as you probably need them to be, and those additional fielding rating come into play. When I wasn't in a god division in Diamond like I am this week (with 3 other teams with a combined 7 DL trophies), having a good catcher to frame for your pitchers does help. It's not always noticeable, but when it is you will really be able to tell the difference.

[bailey]

35 DEF catcher sounds like Piazza and that card has the highest contact against LHP then just about any card. Sure, the brand new Pudge would be a nice replacement, but well for 160K, I have other priorities.

Anyway, the catcher should be Berra 100, DEF 78 or so, which means OP has not completed the live missions. That would be the first thing I would do to turn this team around.

Oh, and 4.00 ERA is probably above average! Team ERA's in my diamond league average about 4.50.

Ballpark factors also affect pitching. 1.1 for contact and power won't do them any favors.

[daves]

Originally Posted by bailey

35 DEF catcher sounds like Piazza and that card has the highest contact against LHP then just about any card. Sure, the brand new Pudge would be a nice replacement, but well for 160K, I have other priorities.

Anyway, the catcher should be Berra 100, DEF 78 or so, which means OP has not completed the live missions. That would be the first thing I would do to turn this team around.

Oh, and 4.00 ERA is probably above average! Team ERA's in my diamond league average about 4.50.

Ballpark factors also affect pitching. 1.1 for contact and power won't do them any favors.

I'd say he did not do the live missions. Ichiro would be in RF or CF, Berra Catcher, Cano 2b and Maddox would be his ACE SP.

[daves]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

Somebody posted this in another thread as an indicator of how the defense is doing:

"Check your FIP vs. your team ERA. If your team ERA is significantly higher than your FIP, your defense would be the problem because you're giving up too many hits."

So my FIP is 4.19 and my team ERA is 4.01, so my defense is considered effective?

Which pitching rating has the biggest affect on FIP, Stuff, movement or control?

[Hualalai]

Originally Posted by daves

So my FIP is 4.19 and my team ERA is 4.01, so my defense is considered effective?

Which pitching rating has the biggest affect on FIP, Stuff, movement or control?

I think stuff affects strikeouts, movement affects home run rate, and control affects walks of course.

They are all in FIP, but I have seen people rate movement highest, control second.

But I would like to know more about it.