Catcher D

macacks · 04-15-2020, 07:10 PM

I thought I read or heard that catcher defence was going to be improved this year. I was told today that it doesn't work.

Early performance of 4 catchers (121 to 50 DEF RATING) leads me to believe that Catcher DEF still doesn't matter.

Was there supposed to be improvements? What were they?

Depending on the answer I may have a Bench for sale!

X3NEIZE · 04-15-2020, 07:21 PM

Apparently greatly improved in the normal game, not much changed on PT... i have solid data that shows virtually no "real" impact between the best defensive catcher in the game (SE Bench) vs a 50 rated catcher (King Kelly)

Morug · 04-15-2020, 07:32 PM

no effect on CS% too?

X3NEIZE · 04-15-2020, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Morug

no effect on CS% too?

In my case the lower catcher has the superior CS%..... mind boggling! Bench does show much better number in range and a few less errors.

SF Giants · 04-15-2020, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by X3NEIZE

Apparently greatly improved in the normal game, not much changed on PT... i have solid data that shows virtually no "real" impact between the best defensive catcher in the game (SE Bench) vs a 50 rated catcher (King Kelly)

Hi, are you willing to share it with us? I remember that in OOTP20 I had Bench and Smoky Burgess and that after 20+ seasons Bench's CERA was significantly lower than Burgess's...

X3NEIZE · 04-15-2020, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SF Giants

Hi, are you willing to share it with us? I remember that in OOTP20 I had Bench and Smoky Burgess and that after 20+ seasons Bench's CERA was significantly lower than Burgess's...

Here's a snag from Silver league last week

Here's from this season Gold:

Before you jump to conclusions, consider their offensive production:

Morug · 04-15-2020, 08:48 PM

and if we put a DH with no defence for a catcher? someone have tried it? I'm just intriged by the result.

Edit: Oh well you can't put a non catcher for catcher.

ScudDawg · 04-15-2020, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Morug

and if we put a DH with no defence for a catcher? someone have tried it? I'm just intriged by the result.

that is exactly what I was just thinking reading these posts, catchers should matter more,dang...

X3NEIZE · 04-15-2020, 09:00 PM

I'm not willing to try out a DH as a catcher.... but please report back when you do

Morug · 04-15-2020, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by X3NEIZE

I'm not willing to try out a DH as a catcher.... but please report back when you do

I can't, the game block it lol.. the player must have a minimum in catching ability, I guest.

skep · 04-15-2020, 09:33 PM

I'd like to know what the real deal is, as I currently trot out defense heavy catchers in my tournament lineups.

daves · 04-15-2020, 09:44 PM

What happened to Smoky? How does a PT3.0 Smoky PEEK have worse ratings than a Smoky PT 2.0 All Star card?

macacks · 04-15-2020, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by skep

I'd like to know what the real deal is, as I currently trot out defense heavy catchers in my tournament lineups.

Yeah, I find this disappointing as it is one of the few Defence first positions left in the game.

daves · 04-15-2020, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by skep

I'd like to know what the real deal is, as I currently trot out defense heavy catchers in my tournament lineups.

Defensive shortstops, second basemen and center fielders have a much greater defensive effectiveness than a catcher in Perfect team. Even 3b, LF and RF have a bigger defensive impact.

You can't put anyone at Catcher, as they actually had to have played the position in real life,, but you are better off putting a hitting Catcher in the game rather than a defensive one. IMO

Drivehud.com · 04-15-2020, 11:00 PM

Can someone from actual development confirm what's being said in this thread? Is there any impact on the pitching staff?

The one example shown above it way too small a sample to make any conclusions. But if this is true, I wasted a lot of PP for no good reason.

Sandviper23 · 04-15-2020, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Drivehud.com

Can someone from actual development confirm what's being said in this thread? Is there any impact on the pitching staff?

I second that.

daves · 04-15-2020, 11:42 PM

This was asked before:

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...atcher+defense

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...atcher+defense

Drivehud.com · 04-16-2020, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by daves

This was asked before:

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...atcher+defense

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...atcher+defense

TY!

This is what I logically concluded without really knowing, so it's good to get confirmation.

KleineBiere · 04-16-2020, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by X3NEIZE

Here's a snag from Silver league last week

Here's from this season Gold:

Catchers impacting the K & BB rates

Wee can see a significant difference in strikeouts in both seasons.

X3NEIZE · 04-16-2020, 09:44 AM

Here's my SP when King is catching (Gold)

My SP when Bench is catching (Gold)

04-15-2020, 07:10 PM	#1
macacks Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Canada Posts: 286	Catcher D I thought I read or heard that catcher defence was going to be improved this year. I was told today that it doesn't work. Early performance of 4 catchers (121 to 50 DEF RATING) leads me to believe that Catcher DEF still doesn't matter. Was there supposed to be improvements? What were they? Depending on the answer I may have a Bench for sale! __________________

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X3NEIZE All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 649	Apparently greatly improved in the normal game, not much changed on PT... i have solid data that shows virtually no "real" impact between the best defensive catcher in the game (SE Bench) vs a 50 rated catcher (King Kelly) __________________

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Morug Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 308	no effect on CS% too? __________________ F2P Expos F2P pack only F2P AH

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Morug Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 308	and if we put a DH with no defence for a catcher? someone have tried it? I'm just intriged by the result. Edit: Oh well you can't put a non catcher for catcher. __________________ F2P Expos F2P pack only F2P AH Last edited by Morug; 04-15-2020 at 08:52 PM.

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X3NEIZE All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 649	I'm not willing to try out a DH as a catcher.... but please report back when you do __________________

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skep Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 174	I'd like to know what the real deal is, as I currently trot out defense heavy catchers in my tournament lineups. __________________ FTP Warrior

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daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,832	What happened to Smoky? How does a PT3.0 Smoky PEEK have worse ratings than a Smoky PT 2.0 All Star card? Attached Images __________________

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Drivehud.com Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 252	Can someone from actual development confirm what's being said in this thread? Is there any impact on the pitching staff? The one example shown above it way too small a sample to make any conclusions. But if this is true, I wasted a lot of PP for no good reason. Last edited by Drivehud.com; 04-15-2020 at 11:03 PM.

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daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,832	This was asked before: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...atcher+defense https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...atcher+defense __________________

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X3NEIZE All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 649	Here's my SP when King is catching (Gold) My SP when Bench is catching (Gold) __________________ Last edited by X3NEIZE; 04-16-2020 at 09:47 AM.